July 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

elephant
by Lieven 07 Feb '18

07 Feb '18

For the translation of the intro of a famous German children TV show I have asked Marc Okrand how I'd best name their main characters which are a mouse and an elephant. Okrand talked to Maltz and replied with the following. It's not really a new word, but at least some canon spelling of a terran animal. --------------------------------------- Lieven — I think {Qa'Hom} is okay for "mouse." And Maltz wasn't aware of any native Klingon elephant-like animal. So go with a Klingon version of Federation Standard. How about {'e'levan}? - Marc --------------------------------------- -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net

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new words qepHom 2016 (nature, forging, materials)
by Lieven 06 Dec '17

06 Dec '17

At this year's qepHom, we received lots of new words. Some of them were wishes by qepHom attendees and others. Others were used in Andrew Miller's Art presentation in a Museum of Pittsburgh, which happened on the same weekend. Marc Okrand gave me the list in english alphabetical order, so for reading convenience I re-arranged them in a somehow logical order. These are terms about plants, forging, and materials. ---begin quote--- branch (of a tree) bartIq fog, mist vI'laS garden Du'Hom ivy (Terran) tera' 'arDeH ivy-like plant 'arDeH mud, clay, putty DabqI' trunk (of tree) Qechjem'a' cast (cast metal) (v.) Qu forge (metal) (v.) mItlh foundry (n.) baS laSvargh furnace (n.) vIncha' mold (for casting) (n.) QumeH ngaSwI' welded (together) (v.) pet wire (n.) baS SIrgh magnet (n.) peQnagh bronze jey' Sorpuq chalk 'o'roy' chromium velSo' concrete tungyen glass 'al'on stainless steel velSo' 'uSqan steel ghav 'uSqan tin jey' wax req ---end quote--- -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net

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New Beginner's Grammarian?
by John R. Harness 06 Nov '17

06 Nov '17

Hi all -- it has been more than a year since I was named Beginner's Grammarian. I have barely done any of that job because there has been nearly no KLBC traffic. In any case I'd like to formally step down in case anyone else would like to take the position. However, it seems to me that there is so rarely traffic that comes under the BG's purview that the position might remain vacant without consequence. Thanks, John -- Socialist Alternative <http://www.socialistalternative.org/> Klingon Language Institute <http://www.kli.org/>

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qep'a' cha'maH loSDIch New words and some tidbits
by qurgh lungqIj 22 Aug '17

22 Aug '17

Greetings all, I've posted the new Klingon words online at https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/qepa-chamah-losdich/qepa-chamah-losdi… We'll be working to get these added to the KLI's New Word List on the website, but I wanted to get the pages out to you all as soon as possible. I also got to ask Marc a few questions and documented his answers: I asked about {jIb}, {pob}, {loch} and {rol} after there was a conversation about it in the Learn Klingon Facebook group. {jIb} is only hair on the top of your head, {loch} is the hair on your upper lip, {rol} is the hair on your face that covers you chin/neck area, and {pob} is hair from the neck down. "Arm hair" is {DeS pob}. The words cover both the hair and the entire construction, so {rol} refers to a "beard" as well as the hair that makes up the beard. However, "ear hair" or "nose hair" is talked about using {pob}, and {pob} *can* be used to talk about "face hair" or "head hair" but it would be considered very strange to do so. I asked about fronting nouns marked with {-'e'} as described in the TKD Addendum. Marc said that {-'e'} fronted nouns are marked and it should only be used in extreme situations. He said one could, if they wanted to, use this all the time but it would be similar to an English speaking using Shakespearean English all the time. SuStel asked on Facebook if {yaH} refers to any work place, or just military, and Marc said that it refers to any place where one does work. I also asked Marc again about using {-Ha'} on adverbs. He said that if it makes sense, then {-Ha'} could be used. I offered the example of {tlhIngan Hol neHHa' vIjatlh} and he translated that as "I speak not only Klingon" as in "I speak many languages including Klingon". He say that {vajHa'} still doesn't make sense. yItIv! qurgh

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ST Discovery - how to watch
by DloraH 07 Aug '17

07 Aug '17

I've seen some websites mention that the show will be on TV. A couple of the trailers I saw mention Netflix. The official site at CBS says the series premieres on "CBS All Access". So... how will we be able to watch this? Is this something we are going to have to $ub$cribe to, or will it be on broadcast TV? Does anybody here know?

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Klingon in Star Trek: Discovery
by De'vID 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-klingon-language/ "All of that work may finally pay off in a big way; according to executive producer Gretchen J. Berg, viewers who speak Klingon will be able to understand what the Klingon characters are saying without having to read the subtitles." It's hard to believe that they could have filmed a lot of correct Klingon dialogue without involving someone known to the community. I believe Marc Okrand has said he isn't involved (but don't remember the source). Does anyone know if Britton Watkins is? I suppose that anyone from the community who *is* involved isn't allowed to talk about it... -- De'vID

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With regards to invectives
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Aug '17

01 Aug '17

So we have the {jay'}, which always comes at the end of the sentence, transforming the entire sentence into an invective. But how are the other invectives i.e. {va} {Hu'tegh} {ghay'cha'} {baQa'}, used ? Are they placed at the end of the sentence ? Somewhere else within the sentence, or are they placed between sentences ? qunnoq

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SuStel please tell me, I need to know..
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Aug '17

01 Aug '17

SuStel jupwI', 'op wen, qaghel: tlhIngan Hol quenya ghap. Hol DamaSbogh yIngu'. 'a ngugh bIjangQo'. bIjangQo', 'ej 'e' vIvuv. 'a qaStaHvIS jar law', jISIv.. nuq 'oH SuStel Hol qaq'e' ? tlhIngan Hol ? quenya ? qaStaHvIS ram Hoch, QongDaqwIjDaq jIQot, 'ej jIQonglaHbe'taHvIS jIghel'eghtaH.. nuq 'oH SuStel Hol qaq'e' ? nuq 'oH SuStel Hol qaq'e' ? nuq 'oH SuStel Hol qaq'e' ? vaj, jISovnIS ! qaqoy' ! jISovnIS.. choja'Qo'chugh vaj jImaw'choH ! qunnoq

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] So sarcophagus you say ? hmm..
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Aug '17

01 Aug '17

felix malmenbeck, bIjangtaHvIS, tlhIngan Hol Dalo'mo' jIbel. 'a 'op Doch DIpojnISbogh tu'lu'. vaj.. felix malmenbeck: > tlhInganpu' Sar law' Humanpu' Sar law' 'e' > vIHar. Initially the law'/law' construction confused me, but finally I remembered that instead of the classic law'/puS, there are alternate versions such as the law'/law'. So, in this case the meaning obviously is "klingons are as varied as the humans". The choice of the double {law'} instead of a double {puS} obviously is made to express that both klingons and humans are "varied to a great degree". Instead of "varied to a small degree", which would be the case if we had a double {puS}. felix malmenbeck: > wa' nughHom'e' motlh vay', latlh nughHom'e' > motlh latlh. This messed me up real good until I finally managed to figure it out. It must mean "as for one small society someone is usual, as for another small society another is usual". Although I still can't understand why you used {nughHom} instead of {nugh}. felix malmenbeck: > lommey meQmoH 'op. lommey meQmoH 'op. "Some make corpses burn. Some make corpses burn". I don't understand why you wrote {meQmoH} instead of just {meQ}. Also why repeat the same sentence twice ? felix malmenbeck: > rIQwI'pu'vaD lom 'ay'Du'chaj nob HeghDI' 'e' 'Ip > 'op 'ach nobQo' latlhpu' law'. Isn't here the {law'} on the {latlhpu'} somewhat redundant ? Doesn't the {-pu'} inherently mean "many" ? So, why say {latlhpu' law'} instead of just {latlhpu'} ? felix malmenbeck: > taQ ghaH net ja'. Is {ja'} a verb of speech ? If yes, don't the same rules apply for it, as they apply for {jatlh} ? And if yes, then how is it possible to quote what someone said, through the use of {net} ? felix malmenbeck: > *DaqS* qeng puqloD HeghmoHpu'DI' chISwI', > lom meQmoHta' qeng. wa' jaj chISwI' HoH 'ej > tIqDaj Sop 'e' 'Ip. Although I have no idea who or what the {chISwI'} and the transliterated {DaqS} is, I can understand the sentence; however I can't understand why you chose {HeghmoH} over {HoH}. And I wonder too, with regards to the choice of {meQmoHta'} over a simple {meQta'}. qunnoq On 31 Jul 2017 7:25 pm, "nIqolay Q" <niqolay0(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:11 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > SKI: At a Star Trek Next Generation episode, two Klingons have died, > and Picard asks the Klingon captain, what he is to do with the bodies. > Then the Klingon captain replies: "They are empty vessels; treat them > as such". > > As a result of this scene, I don't think that Klingons would utilize > elaborate sarcophaghi, in order to dispose of corpses which -according > to their beliefs- are nothing more than empty shells. > Maltz did say that Klingons didn't use sarcophagi anymore. Also, I think it's important to remember that real cultures aren't totally monolithic and homogeneous, even if that's how they like to present themselves. In existing show canon, there are a number of variations on Klingon funerary practices. There's the {Heghtay}, where you hold the eyes open and scream. There's the {'aQvoH}, where you stand watch over the corpse. A "Klingon mummification glyph" is referenced in Star Trek 4, so clearly they did that at some point. And nobody held open Chancellor Gorkon's eyes after his assassination. It's not a major contradiction, but rather simply a sign that Klingons (much like, say, humans in Starfleet) are more diverse than they seem (or want to seem) to outsiders. MO has touched on this idea occasionally: acknowledging that an empire could have room for another language like Klingonaase (see http://klingonska.org/canon/ 1996-08-rt.txt), the opening to The Klingon Way describing how seemingly-contradictory proverbs can still fit in the same culture, and the whole section in KGT about the myth of Klingon conformity. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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So sarcophagus you say ? hmm..
by mayqel qunenoS 31 Jul '17

31 Jul '17

tlhIngan mu' chu' bopmo' QInvam, vIghItlhtaHvIS chaq DIvI' Hol vIlo'laH. 'a QujmeH moQmeyDaj roSchugh dog, roSlaHmo', vaj meq rapmo' tlhIngan Hol vIlo'. HaHaHa ! 'a, DaH maSaghnISchoH.. qen, sarcophagus wIDelmeH, mu' chu' DIHev. qar'a' ? 'a wa' wanI' potlh cha' Hov leng puq poH veb episode, 'ej wanI'vam tlhochqu' sarcophagus mu'. Heghpu'bogh cha' tlhIngan cha' *episode*vam. 'ej ghIq, tlhIngan HoD ghel janluq pIqarD: chay' lommeyvamvaD mavangnIS ? 'ej ghIq jang tlhIngan HoD: ngaSwI' chIm bIH lommeyvam'e'; ngaSwI' chIm bopbogh wanI''e' yIqaSmoH. maj.. vaj, DaH, jIghel: qatlh sarcophagus ghajnIS ngaSwI' chIm ? Hmm ? qatlh ? DaH, chaq, jatlhlu': 'ej chay' lom polHa' tlhIngan ? sarcophaghi ghajnISbe' ? maj.. QaQ ghelmeH mu'tlheghvam. QaQqu' ! 'ach nap jangmeH mu'tlheghwIj.. napqu'.. chaq sarcophaghi ghajnIS tlhInganpu'. 'ach napnIS *sarcophaghi*vam ! 'IHqu' sarcophaghi'e' cha'bogh Hov leng discovery. 'ej napbe'ba' Somchaj. DaH, HIyajHa'Qo' ! mu'vam chu'mo' jIQuch. reH mu' chu' wIHevDI' jIQuchchoH. 'a tlhIngan tIgh potlh tlhochba' sarcophagus mu'vam. Qapla'! (each post written in tlhIngan Hol deserves a Qapla'!) qunnoq SKI: At a Star Trek Next Generation episode, two Klingons have died, and Picard asks the Klingon captain, what he is to do with the bodies. Then the Klingon captain replies: "They are empty vessels; treat them as such". As a result of this scene, I don't think that Klingons would utilize elaborate sarcophaghi, in order to dispose of corpses which -according to their beliefs- are nothing more than empty shells.

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