So sarcophagus you say ? hmm..
tlhIngan mu' chu' bopmo' QInvam, vIghItlhtaHvIS chaq DIvI' Hol vIlo'laH. 'a QujmeH moQmeyDaj roSchugh dog, roSlaHmo', vaj meq rapmo' tlhIngan Hol vIlo'. HaHaHa ! 'a, DaH maSaghnISchoH.. qen, sarcophagus wIDelmeH, mu' chu' DIHev. qar'a' ? 'a wa' wanI' potlh cha' Hov leng puq poH veb episode, 'ej wanI'vam tlhochqu' sarcophagus mu'. Heghpu'bogh cha' tlhIngan cha' *episode*vam. 'ej ghIq, tlhIngan HoD ghel janluq pIqarD: chay' lommeyvamvaD mavangnIS ? 'ej ghIq jang tlhIngan HoD: ngaSwI' chIm bIH lommeyvam'e'; ngaSwI' chIm bopbogh wanI''e' yIqaSmoH. maj.. vaj, DaH, jIghel: qatlh sarcophagus ghajnIS ngaSwI' chIm ? Hmm ? qatlh ? DaH, chaq, jatlhlu': 'ej chay' lom polHa' tlhIngan ? sarcophaghi ghajnISbe' ? maj.. QaQ ghelmeH mu'tlheghvam. QaQqu' ! 'ach nap jangmeH mu'tlheghwIj.. napqu'.. chaq sarcophaghi ghajnIS tlhInganpu'. 'ach napnIS *sarcophaghi*vam ! 'IHqu' sarcophaghi'e' cha'bogh Hov leng discovery. 'ej napbe'ba' Somchaj. DaH, HIyajHa'Qo' ! mu'vam chu'mo' jIQuch. reH mu' chu' wIHevDI' jIQuchchoH. 'a tlhIngan tIgh potlh tlhochba' sarcophagus mu'vam. Qapla'! (each post written in tlhIngan Hol deserves a Qapla'!) qunnoq SKI: At a Star Trek Next Generation episode, two Klingons have died, and Picard asks the Klingon captain, what he is to do with the bodies. Then the Klingon captain replies: "They are empty vessels; treat them as such". As a result of this scene, I don't think that Klingons would utilize elaborate sarcophaghi, in order to dispose of corpses which -according to their beliefs- are nothing more than empty shells.
tlhInganpu' Sar law' Humanpu' Sar law' 'e' vIHar. lurDechmey pIm ghaj nuvpu' pIm. wa' nughHom'e' motlh vay', latlh nughHom'e' motlh latlh. qaStaHvIS wa' bov motlh vay', qaStaHvIS latlh bov motlh latlh. lommey meQmoH 'op. lommey meQmoH 'op. lommey Sop 'op. bIQ'a'Daq lommey lan 'op. rIQwI'pu'vaD lom 'ay'Du'chaj nob HeghDI' 'e' 'Ip 'op 'ach nobQo' latlhpu' law'. pel'aQmey, nev'aQmey, jItuj'epmey je lulo'lu'. 'Impey'mey tInqu' chenmoHta' maSIrnganpu' tIQ 'ej luHo'lu'. 'Impey' mach DIlta' Nicolas Cage 'ach taQ ghaH net ja'. latmey nap chenmoH latlhpu'. lat DIllaHbe' neHbogh Hoch 'ej lat neHbe' DIllaHbogh Hoch. naH jajmeywIj juHwIjDaq Sum Heghpu'wI' van nagh 'IH. 'oH vel ngutlhmey tIQ; wa'SaD ben lughItlhlu'ta'. ngugh puS ghItlhlaHwI'pu', vaj waghqu'pu' naghmeyvam; DIllaHbe' HochHom, vaj qub van naghmeyvam. DaH DIllaH HochHom 'e' vIHar 'ach latlh van mIwmey lumaSlu', vaj qubHa'choHtaHbe' van naghmeyvam. law'law' tlhIngan Hegh lurDechmey. Hegh bey, SonchIy, 'aQvoH je lu'aghlu'ta'. *DaqS* qeng puqloD HeghmoHpu'DI' chISwI', lom meQmoHta' qeng. wa' jaj chISwI' HoH 'ej tIqDaj Sop 'e' 'Ip. Heghpu'DI' qor, quvmoHmeH bom martaq beqDaj je. Hoch tlhIngan Hegh lurDechmey DIleghpu' 'e' vIHonqu'.
31 juli 2017 kl. 17:11 skrev mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>:
tlhIngan mu' chu' bopmo' QInvam, vIghItlhtaHvIS chaq DIvI' Hol vIlo'laH. 'a QujmeH moQmeyDaj roSchugh dog, roSlaHmo', vaj meq rapmo' tlhIngan Hol vIlo'.
HaHaHa !
'a, DaH maSaghnISchoH..
qen, sarcophagus wIDelmeH, mu' chu' DIHev. qar'a' ? 'a wa' wanI' potlh cha' Hov leng puq poH veb episode, 'ej wanI'vam tlhochqu' sarcophagus mu'.
Heghpu'bogh cha' tlhIngan cha' *episode*vam. 'ej ghIq, tlhIngan HoD ghel janluq pIqarD: chay' lommeyvamvaD mavangnIS ? 'ej ghIq jang tlhIngan HoD: ngaSwI' chIm bIH lommeyvam'e'; ngaSwI' chIm bopbogh wanI''e' yIqaSmoH.
maj..
vaj, DaH, jIghel: qatlh sarcophagus ghajnIS ngaSwI' chIm ? Hmm ? qatlh ?
DaH, chaq, jatlhlu': 'ej chay' lom polHa' tlhIngan ? sarcophaghi ghajnISbe' ?
maj.. QaQ ghelmeH mu'tlheghvam. QaQqu' ! 'ach nap jangmeH mu'tlheghwIj.. napqu'..
chaq sarcophaghi ghajnIS tlhInganpu'. 'ach napnIS *sarcophaghi*vam ! 'IHqu' sarcophaghi'e' cha'bogh Hov leng discovery. 'ej napbe'ba' Somchaj.
DaH, HIyajHa'Qo' ! mu'vam chu'mo' jIQuch. reH mu' chu' wIHevDI' jIQuchchoH. 'a tlhIngan tIgh potlh tlhochba' sarcophagus mu'vam.
Qapla'! (each post written in tlhIngan Hol deserves a Qapla'!)
qunnoq
SKI: At a Star Trek Next Generation episode, two Klingons have died, and Picard asks the Klingon captain, what he is to do with the bodies. Then the Klingon captain replies: "They are empty vessels; treat them as such".
As a result of this scene, I don't think that Klingons would utilize elaborate sarcophaghi, in order to dispose of corpses which -according to their beliefs- are nothing more than empty shells. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:11 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
SKI: At a Star Trek Next Generation episode, two Klingons have died, and Picard asks the Klingon captain, what he is to do with the bodies. Then the Klingon captain replies: "They are empty vessels; treat them as such".
As a result of this scene, I don't think that Klingons would utilize elaborate sarcophaghi, in order to dispose of corpses which -according to their beliefs- are nothing more than empty shells.
Maltz did say that Klingons didn't use sarcophagi anymore. Also, I think it's important to remember that real cultures aren't totally monolithic and homogeneous, even if that's how they like to present themselves. In existing show canon, there are a number of variations on Klingon funerary practices. There's the {Heghtay}, where you hold the eyes open and scream. There's the {'aQvoH}, where you stand watch over the corpse. A "Klingon mummification glyph" is referenced in Star Trek 4, so clearly they did that at some point. And nobody held open Chancellor Gorkon's eyes after his assassination. It's not a major contradiction, but rather simply a sign that Klingons (much like, say, humans in Starfleet) are more diverse than they seem (or want to seem) to outsiders. MO has touched on this idea occasionally: acknowledging that an empire could have room for another language like Klingonaase (see http://klingonska.org/canon/1996-08-rt.txt), the opening to The Klingon Way describing how seemingly-contradictory proverbs can still fit in the same culture, and the whole section in KGT about the myth of Klingon conformity.
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