October 2021 - tlhIngan-Hol

{ghIq} {ngugh} and time adverbs with time stamps
by mayqel qunen'oS 01 Nov '21

01 Nov '21

God saideth in the holy scripture of tkd: -----words of god starteth----- It was earlier thought that all adverbials (except {neH} <only>) come at the beginning of the sentence. This is frequently the case, but what is really going on is that the adverbial precedes the object-verb-subject construction. It is possible for an element of another type to precede the adverb. Most commonly, this is a time element (a noun or phrase meaning <today, at six o'clock,> etc.). {DaHjaj nom Soppu'} <Today they ate quickly> -----words of god endeth----- And perhaps because of this tkd quote, we place time stamps at the beginning of the sentence, i.e. before any of the adverbs. But this creates the "problem" of where to place an adverb which has a "time stamp" flavor such as {ghIq}/{ngugh}. In the tkd example god used the {nom}, and there's nothing "off" in saying "today they ate quickly", or "today quickly they ate". But what if we wanted to say "On Monday we acquired the ship, and then on Tuesday the war started"? The logical thing to write is {DaSjaj Duj wISuqpu', 'ej ghIq povjaj taghpu' noH}; but this creates the problem of placing the adverb before the time stamp. Seemingly/apparently we need to write {DaSjaj Duj wISuqpu', 'ej povjaj ghIq taghpu' noH}; but there's something ugly in hearing "and on Tuesday, then the war started". So there are two options.. Option A: Flush the words of god down the toilet, thus writing {ghIq povjaj taghpu' noH}. Option B: Placing a parenthetical time stamp in the following way: {ghIq -povjaj- taghpu' noH}. Of course someone can say that using the {ghIq} is redundant to begin with, and there's no problem with just saying {DaSjaj Duj wISuqpu', 'ej povjaj taghpu' noH}. But the problem (ok, *my* problem), isn't how to express the desired meaning; it's rather finding out the order in which one should place time stamps and "time adverbs" together. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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SKI: bom tIQ vItu' Part 1.
by Will Martin 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

Wow. I know I’ve achieved complete irrelevance when I can restore a song of such cultural significance to the Original Klingon with zero comment for a day. And nobody noticed that I even managed to work in an appropriately poetic use of the word {tlhonmey}. Sheesh. I guess I need to translate it for you. {Klingon text}, [literal translation], “so-called original lyrics in English” {qol’om ‘oH gho-onbo-ogh Hoch’e’ ‘e’ Harchu’ ja-aw ghaHbogh be’’e’ ‘ej QI’tu’ letlh je-e’taH.} [A woman, who is a lord, perfectly believes that everything that glitters is gold, and she’s buying paradise’s stairway. (I chose {letlh} because, well, it could be seen as leading to a ship of sorts — something you’d take a trip in.)] “There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold And she's buying a stairway to heaven” {pawDI’ jaw’vam ngaQchu-u’-chugh ma-alja’ qa-ach, ngoQDaj’a’ SuqlaHbe-ej ‘e’ So-ovbej.} [When this lady arrives, if the business’s building is perfectly locked, she knows that she can definitely acquire her great goal.] “When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed With a word she can get what she came for.” {‘u’ ‘u’ ‘u’, ‘u’, ‘u’ ‘u’ ‘u’ ‘u’} [The Universe the Universe the Universe, the Universe, the Universe the Universe the Universe the Universe the Universe. (Her goal is the Universe, many times over)] “Ooo ooo oooooooooo, ooooooooo, oo oo oo oo oo” {ej QI’tu’ ghoSbogh le-etlh je’law’taH.} [And she’s apparently buying a stairway that goes to paradise. (Yeah, I know that {ghoS} is arguably the wrong verb, but hey, poetic license.] “ And she's buying a stairway to heaven.” {reDDaq vepHey tu-u’lu’, ‘ach vo-oqchu’ ne-eH rut cha’ qech chuplaHmo-o’ wa’ mu-u’.} [On the wall, one finds an apparent notice, but she wants to perfectly verify it because sometimes one word can suggest two ideas.] “There's a sign on the wall, but she wants to be sure 'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.” {bIQtIqHom retlhDaq SorDaq bomtaH qa-anra-aD. rut Hoch buSHachmaj no-obHa’lu-u’.} [This last verb was apparently mistranslated into English.] [At the side of the minor-river in a tree, a bird known for its song is singing. Sometimes -indefinite subject- takes back our thoughts. (Apparently the poor English translation of “Our thoughts are misgiven” made it into the popular English translation.)] “In a tree by the brook, there's a songbird who sings. Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.” {bISov.} [You know.] “ You know.” {tIng ’ev vIghantaHDI-I’ jItIwchoH net ghu-ur ‘ej jItlheD neHmo’ qa’wIj nongchoHbej.} [While I continue to glance at the West, it increases that I react emotionally and because my spirit wants that I depart, it definitely becomes passionate.] “There's a feeling I get when I look to the west And my spirit is crying for leaving.” {Sormey Hay tlhIch rutlhme-ey vIlegh ‘e’ vI-Ija-al bejbogh nu-uvpu’ QI-Ichmey je-e.} [I imagine that I see wheels of smoke beyond the trees and the the vocal sounds of people who watch. (Yeah, I know that last noun phrase isn’t properly located for the grammar, buy hey, poetic license.)] “In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees And the voices of those who stand looking.” {qajal.} [I imagine you.] “ That's you.” — to be continued...

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SKI: bom tIQ vItu'pu' Part 2
by Will Martin 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

{tlhuplu’. <<tugh bom wIwIvchugh mameqmeH nu-uDe-ev Dov’agh. taHwI’pu’vaD choH jaj chu-u’ ‘ej Haghqu’ta-aHmo-o’ nuvlaw’pu-u-u’ la-aw’ nge-em’a’ Hoch lute-ebchu’ ya-a’rIS>>} [- Indefinite subject - whispers. “If we choose the song soon, the flute will lead us in order that we are reasonable. A new day begins for those who endure, and because many apparent people very much continuously laugh, echoes will perfectly fill all of the great forest.”] “And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune Then the piper will lead us to reason And a new day will dawn for those who stand long And the forests will echo with laughter” {Haghlu’ghach Daqaw’a’?} [Do you remember the indefinite subject mess of laughing?] “ Remember laughter?” {toH, HIja’, HISlaH, lu’.} [So, yes, yes, okay.] “Oh yeah, yeah, yeah...” {‘ej muSIvmoHbejtaH. tIlIjDaq chuSlu’chugh, yIjot. yIghumbe’lu-u’. maqtagh ta’vaD Say’moHlu’ neH. cha’vo’ wa’ He DawIvnISbej ‘e’ So-ov Ho-och. HelIj DachoHmeH ratlh poH yap.} [And it definitely makes me continue to wonder. If -indefinite subject- is noisy in your vegetation, be calm. Do not be alarmed. (Yes, I know the grammatical problem here. Poetic license.) -indefinite subject- merely cleans for the emperor/emperess of Maktag. Everybody knows that you definitely need to choose one of two paths. Sufficient time remains in order that you change your path.] “If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now It's just a spring clean for the May queen Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run There's still time to change the road you're on” {tlhon’a’meyvo’ Huyqu’lu’ta-aH ‘ej mevlu’Qo-o’. <<HImuv!>> jatlh Dov’agh chu’wI’’a’. jawoy, SuSbogh SuS DaQoylaH’a’? ‘ej DaSov’a’? tlhuptaHbogh SuSDaq letlhlIj ‘oH[taH].} [-indefinite subject- continuously very much hums from great nostrils scattered all about, and they won’t stop. (This is my favorite phrase in the entire song. Just imagine a forest filled with unstoppable great nostrils… Talk about inspiration! In every sense of the word.) Lady-kins, can you hear the wind which blows (into a musical instrument)? And do you know it? Your stairway is at wind, which whispers.] “Your head is humming and it won't go, in case you don't know The piper's calling you to join him Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow, and did you know Your stairway lies on the whispering wind?” {‘ej HemajDaq malengtaHvIS, QIbmaj woch law’ qa’maj woch puS. pa’ yIt jaw’e’ wISovchu’bogh. tamghay chIS chu’ ‘ej ‘aghchu’ neH. qol’om mojmeH Hoch Ho’DoS ‘agh.} [And while we roam along our path, our shadows be tall be many, our souls be tall be few. There, a lady walks who e we all perfectly know. She engages a white light and she wants to perfectly reveal. She shows the method in order that everything becomes gold.] “And as we wind on down the road Our shadows taller than our soul There walks a lady we all know Who shines white light and wants to show How everything still turns to gold.” {‘ej bI’Ijchu’chugh vaj DaQoy. bom’a’ Dagho-ovchoHlaHchu’. wa’ mojDI’ Hoch, Hoch mojDI’ wa-a’ nagh’a’ Damoj ‘ach not bIron. toH. HIja’.} [And if you perfectly listen, thus you hear it. You can begin to perfectly recognize the great song. When all becomes one, when one becomes all You become a great rock, but you do not roll. So. Yes.] “And if you listen very hard The tune will come to you at last When all is one and one is all, that's what it is To be a rock and not to roll, oh yeah” {ej QI’tu-u’ ghoSbogh le-e-etlh je’law’taH.} [And she’s apparently buying a stairway which goes to paradise.] “And she's buying a stairway to heaven." pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

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Klingon Word of the Day: raSber naH
by Klingon Word of the Day 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, October 31, 2021 Klingon word: raSber naH Part of speech: noun Definition: raspberry Source: EuroTalk Talk Now Klingon This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: wab qoSta' 'aplo'
by Klingon Word of the Day 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, October 29, 2021 Klingon word: wab qoSta' 'aplo' Part of speech: noun Definition: cassette Source: TalkNow - Learn Klingon!, revealed 30 September 2011 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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cha' meqmo' jIlop
by Will Martin 31 Oct '21

31 Oct '21

wa’DIch: tlhIngan bom tIQ vItu’ta’. cha’DIch: paw baS ghantoH. Deadpool ‘oS. vangchoHghach vusmo’ qoro’na javtIm mamaw’choHpa’, lopmeH meqmey DISamnIS. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

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{vaj} connecting {-meH} clauses
by mayqel qunen'oS 29 Oct '21

29 Oct '21

Suppose we want to say: "In order that something doesn't move the glass, so that the coffee inside won't spill, a special base can be used". One option is to write: HIvje' vIHmoHbe'lu'meH, 'ej qa'vIn Qoy'moHbe'lu'meH, ngaDmoHwI' le' lo'lu'. But I wonder.. Couldn't we use {vaj} instead of {'ej}? HIvje' vIHmoHbe'lu'meH, vaj qa'vIn Qoy'moHbe'lu'meH, ngaDmoHwI' le' lo'lu'. In the first option the exact meaning is "... and in order that the coffee doesn't spill", while on the second option the meaning is "... so that the coffee doesn't spill". Granted, not much of a difference either way, but I wonder if there could be any argument against "joining" {-meH} clauses with {vaj}. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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waHmeH QIn
by mayqel qunen'oS 29 Oct '21

29 Oct '21

waHmeH QIn 'oH QInvam. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Klingon word of the Day: web
by James Landau 28 Oct '21

28 Oct '21

>Steven Boozer sboozer at uchicago.edu >Mon Oct 25 07:31:19 PDT 2021 >Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, October 23, 2021> >Klingon word: web >Part of speech: verb >Definition: be chaotic, disorganized >PUN: the World Wide Web? I believe the pun is a reference to the phrase "tangled web". As in the conlanger's poem "What a tangled web they weave/Who try a new word to conceive".

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Suchtuv
by James Landau 28 Oct '21

28 Oct '21

I had an amazing dream about some type of qep -- a Klingon meeting with Klingonists from around the world. It was over the computer, but I could see the other people in the room. At this meeting, Marc Okrand revealed a list of Klingon words for diseases. I remember the word for "syphilis" was *yIjeqSat* and the word for "AIDS" was *vaghcha'vagh*.

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