March 2020 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon Word of the Day: ngech
by Klingon Word of the Day 14 Mar '20

14 Mar '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, March 13, 2020 Klingon word: ngech Part of speech: noun Definition: valley, woman's cleavage Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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melkor Qun QeD, 'ay' wa'
by mayqel qunen'oS 13 Mar '20

13 Mar '20

melkor po'wI' ghelta' taghwI'.. qatlh potlh yInvam ? potlhbe' yInvam.. jatlhta' po'wI', jangtaHvIS. HIQoy taghwI', jatlhta' je; wa' jaj van yInvam. Hoch chargh Hegh, 'ej Sanvam narghlaH pagh. 'a, vanDI' yInvam lo'laHbe', ghIq tagh wa' latlh DI'ruj, 'ej not van DI'rujvam. DI'rujvam Da'eltaHvIS, Dutlhej qa'lIj neH, nItlhej tIqlIj DI'onmeyna' neH, vaj DI'rujvam Da'eltaHvIS watlhbe'chugh qa'lIj, joHma' ngay' DaSIQlaHbe'.. potlh yInvam 'e' luHar pujwI'pu'. 'e' luHar nururbe'bogh nuvpu'.. 'ej mujchu' nuvpu'vam. ramchu' yInvam, 'a potlhchu' wa' yInvam ngoQ; 'ej ngoQvam'e' potlh law' Hoch potlh puS: qa'lIj DaHurghnISchoHmoHchu'; qa'lIjvaD melkor ngay' SIla' DamojnISmoH.. qa'lIjvaD melkor ngay' DatlhuDnISmoHtaH. ngoQvam DachavmeH joHma' pong DarItnIStaH, 'a vabDot jaSHa' bIvangchugh yapbe'. joHma' ngay' DatlhuDmeH, Say'nISchu' tIqlIj; 'ej Say'chu'meH tIqlIj, Hurghchu'ghach DaghepnIS, 'ej Hoch yutbogh Dochmey DalonnIS. yIqawtaH ! qul qo' Da'eltaHvIS, nItlhej pagh qo'vam Dochmey; vaj qo' Qav Da'elpa', chIch qo'vam Hoch DalonnISchu'pu'. not yIlIj taghwI'.. bI'reS 'oH Hegh'e'; vanmeH wanI' 'oHbe'bej Hegh'e'; lojmIt'a' 'oH Hegh'e', 'ej lojmIt'a'vam DachIqpu'DI', ngugh tagh yInna'. 'a yInna'vam DaSIQlaHmeH mItnISchoHpu' qa'lIj, naDev bIyIntaHvIS. Hegh lojmIt'a'Daq bIQamchoHpu'DI', pagh 'eb cha'DIch tu'lu'. vaj yImIt'eghchoHmoH.. ~ mayqel qunen'oS

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Klingon for "deference" (the legal term)?
by Sai 13 Mar '20

13 Mar '20

Norwood v. Vance, 572 F. 3d 626, 630 (9th Cir. 2009) says: "The district court declined to give the proposed instruction because the meaning of deference would not be "clear to a lay person." But "deference" is not Urdu or Klingon; it is a common English word. See, e.g., Michael Crichton, Airframe 78 (1996) ("[S]he certainly knew where all the bodies were buried. Within the company, she was treated with a deference bordering on fear."). It may be true that deference has varied meanings, Dissent at 8515 n. 4, but so do most English words. If the district judge believed the term needed further context or definition, he could have provided it." dissent n. 4: "(I must, however, acknowledge that the majority is quite correct in intuiting that, unsurprisingly, there is no Klingon word for "deference." See generally Marc Okrand, THE KLINGON DICTIONARY (Star Trek 1992)" <https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=7908441514095692961> Black's Law Dictionary (9th Ed. 2009) defines: defer, vb. (17c) 2. To show deference to (another); to yield to the opinion of <because it was a political question, the courts deferred to the legislature>. due deference. The appropriate degree of respect with which a reviewing authority must consider the decision of a primary decision-maker. Chevron deference. A two-part test under which a court will uphold a federal agency's construction of a federal statute if (1) the statute is ambiguous or does not address the question at issue, and (2) the agency's interpretation of the statute is reasonable.• If the court finds that the legislature's intent is clearly expressed in the statute, then that intent is upheld. So: what, if anything, is Klingon for "deference"? If there isn't a word/phrase for it, and circumlocution would be culturally permitted, what would that be? Sincerely, Sai Founder, Language Creation Society

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Klingon Word of the Day: HIch
by Klingon Word of the Day 12 Mar '20

12 Mar '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, March 12, 2020 Klingon word: HIch Part of speech: noun Definition: handgun Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] 'elI'jaH
by M Roney 12 Mar '20

12 Mar '20

This is what I have in my notes:>>‘e۰lI’۰jaH n. unexpected guest qep’a’ wa’maH wej DIch; 2006‘el۰‘I’ ۰jaH n. uninvited guest qep’a’ wa’maH loS DIch; July 2007 >>I made those notes in 2006 and 2007 respectively. The word was passed along to the list in two different forms and with two different definitions. ~Melanie RoneySent from my Palm Prē -------- Original message --------From: "Lieven L. Litaer" <levinius(a)gmx.de> Date: 3/10/20 13:46 (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] 'elI'jaH I'd like to do some nitpicking, and I'm saying this, because I knowthere is not much difference.I'm working on the entry for {'elI'jaH}.In a message from Qov after the qep'a' 2007, she wrote:"uninvited guest"The KLI's new word list says "unexpected guest"(with the wrong qep'a' number, btw)In boQwI', this is defined as "unexpected visitor".Hol 'ampaS is showing both:"Unexpected visitor, uninvited guest"......I know there is not much (or none) difference, but is there somehow aninitial definition, one that we could agree on? I always try to keepthings as accurate as possible.Lieven L. Litaeraka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"http://www.klingonisch.dehttp://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsQepa14______… mailing listtlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.orghttp://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Klingon Word of the Day: chal bIQ
by Klingon Word of the Day 12 Mar '20

12 Mar '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, March 11, 2020 Klingon word: chal bIQ Part of speech: noun Definition: rain Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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{je} "too" referring to the type-5'ed noun
by mayqel qunen'oS 12 Mar '20

12 Mar '20

Suppose we write: Qo'noSDaq Dujmey vIchenmoH je We know that this can mean: I (and others) build ships on kronos I build ships (and other things) on kronos I build ships on kronos, and do some other thing too (e.g. bake pies) But could it have this additional meaning too ? "I build ships on kronos too" Meaning, I build ships somewhere else, e.g. on earth, *and* on kronos too. ~ mayqel qunen'oS

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'elI'jaH
by Lieven L. Litaer 11 Mar '20

11 Mar '20

I'd like to do some nitpicking, and I'm saying this, because I know there is not much difference. I'm working on the entry for {'elI'jaH}. In a message from Qov after the qep'a' 2007, she wrote: "uninvited guest" The KLI's new word list says "unexpected guest" (with the wrong qep'a' number, btw) In boQwI', this is defined as "unexpected visitor". Hol 'ampaS is showing both: "Unexpected visitor, uninvited guest" ...... I know there is not much (or none) difference, but is there somehow an initial definition, one that we could agree on? I always try to keep things as accurate as possible. Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsQepa14

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«wanI' motlh»
by Jackson Bradley 10 Mar '20

10 Mar '20

HIqIm! qen ghuQHom vIqonta'bogh, mIllogh je vIgher 'ej paq mach vIchenmoHpu'. 'Internet DaqvamDaq vIlan 'ej pa' vunluH. chaq SIbI'Ha' latlh 'Internet DaqDaq vIngev 'a DaH lulu(DoD)comDaq neH je'luH. [image: wm1.jpg] ngajbej «Hayqu'» ghuQHom 'ach wa'maH Soch 'InDoghDaq DI'ruj Hoch DellaH qonwI' po'. DI'ruj ru' 'oH nIpon ghuQHom Seghvam noy qolqoS'e'. pIj motlhwI' qel «Hayqu'» ghuQHom qonwI'pu'. nIpon HatlhDaq lengDI' baSo Doch nap, Doch motlh je rIch. qatlh? bIHDaq qaStaH boqHarmey 'e' tlhojmo' ghuQHom qonwI' po', ramlaw'bogh Dochmeyvetlh paQ. meqvammo' pongDaj Hev paqvam ngajqu': «wanI' motlh». nuq bop? wanI' motlh neH bop. wanI' SIQbogh nuv motlh bop. motlh, qar'a'? paqvamDaq ghuQHom veyHom qonta'bogh, mIllogh 'ey vIDIjta'bogh je vImuch. vaj yIqIm. vaj yIyev. qaStaHvIS poH ngaj neH, Qu'meylIj law' tIbuSHa'. rut ngarlaH motlhwI'. yItIv. chaq tugh Se'vIrvam mach rurbogh latlh'e' tu'lu'! jupra', DeSDu' http://www.lulu.com/shop/desdu/wani-motlh/paperback/product-24462994.html

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{-meH} clause before the {'e'} of a sao
by mayqel qunen'oS 10 Mar '20

10 Mar '20

Could someone use a construction like the following ? romuluS yaS vIcheHmoHta'; qaQaHmeH 'e' vIqaSmoH I caused the romulan officer to defect; in order to help you I caused that to happen And yes, I know that I can rephrase, but the problem (or my problem anyway..) is whether we can have a {-meH} clause before the {'e'} of a sao. ~ mayqel qunen'oS

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