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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Adverbs with {-qu'}
by PICHLMANN Christoph 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

A slighty off-topic question, but it's something I've considered recently and it fits in here: We have been told (in TKD, I think? Was it reinforced later, or taken away?) that klingons only use three classes of words: *) nouns *) verbs *) everything else (the "leftovers") Is this still correct? I'm asking because an "adverb" is something I'd like to put in with "verbs", but that is because of the name. Would klingons see an adverb as a form of verb, or as <<chuvmey>> that simply "looks and acts" as a verb, but doesn't follow all the rules. Because if an adverb is considered a verb, shouldn't all verb-affixes be allowed? But if it's a <<chuvmey>>, then it would make more sense to say that as a rule they don't have any affixes, but for this or that word it is known that it may take this or that suffix. They'd simply be special cases, as any language has. (Also, it would keep things simple, IMO.) Unfortunately, both Klingonska and <<boQwI'>> only say "adverb" :-( Christoph >Message: 24 >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:08:19 -0500 >From: SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> >To: tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org >Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Adverbs with {-qu'} >Message-ID: <f6e12bb6-54c0-86de-5172-97fde21f3215(a)trimboli.name> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > >On 11/30/2016 12:28 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: >> >> SuStel: >> > Okrand had recently added >> >*-Ha'* to an adverbial for the first time >> >> So, do we consider this to be for us a license to place {-Ha'}, to >> whichever adverbs we wish ? >> > >His general message has been, yes, adverbials can generally use *-Ha',* >but there's no absolute guarantee that all of them can do it. > > >> And where do we draw the line ? Why stop at the {-Ha'}, and not >> continue to other rovers as well ? >> > >Because Okrand has specifically about and used only *-Ha'.* No other >suffix has been used or even hinted at. > > >> If someone writes something which 'oqranD never wrote, we say "don't >> do it, it has no precedent". but if there is a precedent, why not act >> upon it ? >> > >Precedent and suggestion exists for *-Ha';* it does not exist for any >other suffix. > >-- >SuStel >http://trimboli.name

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The Sith and the apprentice
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

SaD law' ben, lengtaHvIS *Sith* joH, loD 'IQ legh.. meq le' ghajmo', loDvetlh ghel sith: qatlh bI'IQ. jImobchu'mo', jang loD. 'a, Qun laHmey ghaj *Sith*, 'ej leSSov 'oH wa' laH'e'; vaj tuch Sovmo', tagha' latlh *Sith* joH moj 'IQwI'vetlh. 'e' Sov. Dop HurghvaD pIlmoHmeH, jatlh: bImobchugh yI'IQ'eghmoHQo'. mobchoHlu'DI', tamchoH Hoch 'ej ngugh - qaStaHvIS ghu'vetlh neH - HoS Hurgh 'IjchoHlu'. HItlha' 'ej SoHvaD latlh He vIghojmoH. qaStaHvIS poH ngaj, QubtaH loD 'IQ, 'ej ghIq *Sith* joH HItlha'choH.. qunnoH jan puqloD

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Klingon Word of the Day: nargh
by qurgh＠wizage.net 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, December 02, 2016 Klingon word: nargh Part of speech: verb Definition: appear, escape Source: TKD-A (183 KE, 187 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Each
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

and if I wrote: {jIyIttaHvIS wa' ngIq vIghro' vIlegh} ? qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 1 Dec 2016 8:33 pm, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh(a)wizage.net> wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I remember some time ago we had discussed this at another thread, and > again no significant conclusions were made. > > the only thing I'm able to understand from these canon examples, is > perhaps that context distinguishes between the meaning of "a single one" > and "each one". > > If I write: {jIyIttaHvIS, ngIq vIghro' vIlegh}, then obviously this must > mean "while I was walking I saw a single cat". I don't think one could > translate this as "while I was walking I saw one by one cat". what the hell > is this supposed to mean ? it would make no sense. > I can translate this as "While I am walking, I see cats one at a time". So I saw a single cat, and then another single cat, then another... etc. qurgh _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Practicing simple QAO's
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

are these correct/acceptable ? romuluSngan HoH 'Iv DaneH who do you want to kill the romulan ? 'Iv HoH romuluSngan DaneH who do you want the romulan to kill ? romuluSngan HoH 'Iv 'e' Dalegh who did you see that he killed the romulan ? 'Iv HoH romuluSngan 'e' Dalegh who did you see to be killed by the romulan ? nIn 'ar wIghaj DaneH how much fuel do you want us to have ? nIn 'ar wIghaj 'e' Dalegh how much fuel did you see that we have ? tagha'.. Qong qunnoH. DaH 'e' vIchaw'.. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Not by a jedi
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

qo'vetlh chIm DechtaHvIS choS, pIgh tIQDaq QIt vIHchoH mop qIj.. mopvam tuQtaH vay' 'ej Human ghaHbe' vay'vetlh'e'; mopvetlh tuQtaH porgh mojbogh rIntaH Hurghchu'ghach'e'. 'ach HoSvam Hurgh SIQlaHbe'mo' yav, QomchoH yuQ. ngaDHa'choH ghor 'ach 'Impey''a' qIjDaq choltaH QIb'a'vetlh. pa' pawta'DI' *Sith* joH, pepchoH ghopDu'Daj. jaghpu'Daj qawchoH 'ej wewchoH lurDu'Daj. HughDajvo' jatlhchoH ghogh Hurgh: jImobchoHDI' tulon, jIpujchoHDI' tuHIv.. tutormoHmeH tuSuvta' 'ej tuSangmeH tuHIvta'.. Sa'IghmoH ! tuQaw'chu'meH SunIDta' 'ach jIHvaD paw pIn'a'wI' 'ej ghopDu'rajvo' mutoD. reH tlhIHvaD jagh'a'na' jIH, reH jIHvaD tlhIHvaD je noH tu'lu' ! reH ! ..jatlhtaHvIS QIbvam, porghDaj DechtaH vI'laS qIj; ..jatlhtaHvIS QIbvam reghtaH naghmey; ..jatlhtaHvIS QIbvam chalvo' ghay qul. *jedi*vaD not boqwI' vImoj. not ! jatlh.. reH, mInDu'wIj 'emDaq tlhIHvaD meQtaH qul qIj.. SumeQjaj.. qunnoH jan puqloD

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The most beautiful decepticon
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

choH'eghDI' starscream, f-22 raptor mojmo', ghaH 'IH law' Hoch decepticonpu' 'IH puS. qunnoH jan puqloD

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Klingon 101 at Starbase Indy
by qurgh lungqIj 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

'ejyo'waw' IndyDaq qaStaHvIS lojmItjaj vorgh, tlhIngan Hol ghojmoH marq 'oqranD. 'op vIqon 'ach cha' 'ay' ghaj much. Hoch vIqonlaHbe' qawHaq yap ghajbe'mo' janwIj. At Starbase Indy (a sci-fi convention) over the weekend, Dr. Okrand gave a Klingon 101 lesson. I recorded some of it in two sections. I couldn't record it all because my device ran out of space. 'ay' wa'DIch - tlhIngan Hol ghoghmey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5rxEPGN69c 'ay' cha'DIch - tlhIngan Hol pab 'ej yu'lu': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6izT2zcowr8 yItIv! qurgh

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Klingon Word of the Day: 'IDnar
by qurgh＠wizage.net 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, December 01, 2016 Klingon word: 'IDnar Part of speech: noun Definition: magic, wizardry Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Two beautiful workarounds
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

while writing yesterday two wonderful workarounds came to mind. because it is a pity for them to be lost forever in subspace (and because I don't think a lot of people here have the actual ability to easily read klingon let alone write it), I will describe them here individually. 1. in order to express the "must", until yesterday I've been using either {yadda yadda yadda. 'ut}, or {yadda yadda yadda net poQ}. however there were times when I wanted to use the {'ut} but something was missing.. so, yesterday I was overjoyed to realize that I can write too {yadda yadda yadda net 'utmoH}. 2. until yesterday, while writing I often came across the need to say something like"now we need to stop and think"; and in order to accomplish that I've been using the aforementioned methods. however, I wanted to find an additional way. luckily, yesterday I realized that I can use the {-jaj} too. so, I can write something like {DaH, mamevjaj 'ej maQubjaj}. I like these two workarounds, because they get the job done, they create a fluid style of writing, and most of all because they don't break any rules thus flying under the radar of experts, grammarians, and of course our honorable canon master. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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