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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing "god damn"
by mayqel qunenoS 09 Dec '16

09 Dec '16

I didn't know these info with regards to the {'Igh} ! I thought it literally meant "to be cursed". thanks for telling me. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 9 Dec 2016 7:11 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer(a)uchicago.edu> wrote: *{'Igh}* be cursed, be jinxed (*slang*) (v) (KGT 167): This is a slang term with no known origin. It can be applied to just about anything--persons, missions, ships, and so on--when everything seems to be going wrong. Since Klingons consider self-control a great virtue, declaring oneself to be cursed is comparable to an admission of weakness and utterly uncharacteristic (though not unknown). To say that someone else is cursed, on the other hand, is to attribute weakness to that person. Accordingly, {*bI'Igh} *(“*You are cursed, you are jinxed”*) is quite insulting. In standard Klingon, the same idea may be expressed by saying {*Do'Ha'moHlu'} *(“*be made unlucky”* or “*someone/something causes * [*someone/something*] *to be unlucky”*), as in {*DaDo'Ha'moHlu'} *(“*You've been made unlucky”*, or “*someone/something causes you to be unlucky*)”. *{jay'} *intensely (adv) (TKD 177): This word not only intensifies whatever is being said, it turns the whole phrase into an invective. Alone among the adverbials, {*jay'}* always comes at the end of the sentence. * qaStaH nuq jay'* What the #$%@ is happening? TKD *mIch 'elpu' jay'* They've entered the @#$% sector! TKD *SoH 'Iv jay'* [*Who the *@#$% * are you*? (untranslated)] ST6 *qaStaH nuq jay'* [*What the *@#$%* is happening*? (untranslated)] ST6 *ghaytanHa' jay'* Not bloody likely! RT *tuHbe' tlhInganvam jay' * Curse this Klingon, who has no shame! PB mayqel qunenoS: > I meant "your mother cooked this god damn food". Note the second TKD example which *is an exact parallel to your sentence.* *--Voragh* *On Behalf Of *nIqolay Q *Sent:* Friday, December 09, 2016 10:52 AM {Sojvam vutta' SoSlI' jay'} should suffice to get most of the meaning across. I'm not sure that {'Igh} quite works here. The description in KGT suggests it means something like "doesn't work right, prone to failure, unlucky" and not simply just bad in general. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Expressing "god damn"
by mayqel qunenoS 09 Dec '16

09 Dec '16

So, I've been wondering for quite some time now, how to express the DIvI' Hol "god damn". How to convey its essence in klingon.. Of course the question is: what does "god damn" exactly mean ? does it mean that "god damns whatever", or the one who speaks "damns/curses god" ? Anyway, the way I *feel* this wonderful DIvI' Hol expression, if I wanted to say: "your mother cooked this god damn food" I would express it like this in tlhIngan Hol: {Sojvam 'Igh vutta' SoSlI' jay'} the only problem is that the element of "god" is missing from this sentence; but I believe this is indirectly being conveyed by the {'Igh}. when something is cursed, either god has done the "cursing", or a human through "god". so, I think that by the proper combination of {'Igh} and {jay'}, we can express in klingon this wonderful english expression. 'ej DaH, rIn QInvam 'Igh jay' ! hahaha qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Klingon Word of the Day: qun
by qurgh＠wizage.net 09 Dec '16

09 Dec '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, December 09, 2016 Klingon word: qun Part of speech: noun Definition: history Source: TKD (103 KE, 137 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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More on {-moH} and tritransitive verbs
by Michael Kúnin 09 Dec '16

09 Dec '16

Starting with what we know well: 1. Intransitive -> Transitive {yIt K} "K walks" {K yItmoH F} "F makes K walk" / "F walks K" 2. Transitive -> Ditransitive {X ghoj K} "K learns X" {KvaD X ghojmoH F} "F makes K learn X" / "F teaches X to K" And now the step to the unknown: 3. Ditransitive -> Tritransitive {ZvaD X nob K} "K gives X to Z" Goal: "F makes K give X to Z" 3.1. By the logic "expand 2. above," we start with "F makes K give X": {KvaD X nobmoH F} Then we need to insert Z somehow *{ZvaD KvaD X nobmoH F} is clearly ambiguous *{Z'e' KvaD X nobmoH F} "As for Z, F makes K give X" 3.2. By the logic "keep existing objects and make the original subject as close as possible," we start with *{Zvad X nobmoH F} and need to insert K somehow *{K'e' ZvaD X nobmoH F}? note that if this logic applies, then we cannot mechanically translate this "As for K, F makes Z give X" just as {KvaD X ghojmoH F} does not mean *"F makes X learn for K" but "F makes K learn X" 3.3. Lieven's suggestion *{X'e' ZvaD K nobmoH F} ...if would be so much easier if {KvaD X ghojmoH F} were *{X'e' K ghojmoH F}... but this does not exclude that the tritransitive construction, if any, works this way 3.4. Semantically, what about *{ZvaD Kvo' X noblu'moH F} or *{Kvo' ZvaD X noblu'moH F}? however, itdoes not seem so easy to use this approach with {'ang} or {cha'} 3.5. [rant] And now remove F, add {-wI'}, and consider using it as a heading. [/rant] P.S. To avoid confusion: {mayqel qunenoS} and I are different persons.

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Something on the {vabDot}
by mayqel qunenoS 09 Dec '16

09 Dec '16

At this canon sentence: Qo'noS romuluS je boSuqlaH. vabDot tera' Qejbogh DIvI' ram boSuqlaH. kronos, romulus and even the puny federation's precious earth, are all up for grabs. The {vabDot} is referring to the {boSuqlaH}, right ? qunnoH jan puqloD

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Thoughts on {-moH}
by terrence.donnelly 08 Dec '16

08 Dec '16

"So far as the knife is concerned, Krugemakes Torg give Maltz"? ter'eS Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler(a)gmail.com> Date: 12/8/16 1:46 AM (GMT-06:00) To: tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Thoughts on {-moH} On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Lieven <levinius(a)gmx.de> wrote: What do you think about: {torghvaD taj'e' matlh nobmoH Qugh} wIgh SoH! valqu' mu'tlheghvam Daqonbogh. ~mIp'av

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Bachelor Thesis
by Lieven 08 Dec '16

08 Dec '16

I've been contacted by a german student who aks for your assistance. Some people have already seen her survey on the web. Here's her message: ------------------------------------------ I am currently preparing my bachelor thesis on „The Klingon Phonology and its phonetic realisation“. For this purpose I still need two Klingon speakers who would agree to make an audio recording of themselves reading aloud a Klingon text. It should have a good quality (no background noise), so that your voice is well audible. In addition to this recording I would like you to complete a short questionaire on your person and language proficiency. Your data and audio recording will be used anonymized. As a small reward I will donate 5€ to a relief organization of your choice! Also you may receive the final version of my thesis, if you are interested in reading it. Requirements: Please feel free to contact me Rebecca Palm on rebecca.palm(a)gmx.de (with indication of your language proficiency), if your mother tongue is American English and your language proficiency level one of the below mentioned. Advanced : By means of a dictionary I can slowly but surely write some sentences (vocabulary of 100-500 words) Professional : I feel confident using the language, but I know my shortcomings (vocabulary of 500-1500 words) Expert : tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhmeH mu'ghom vIpoQbe' net Sov (vocabulary of 1500-3000 words) ------------------------------------- -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net

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And who will come ?
by mayqel qunenoS 08 Dec '16

08 Dec '16

helms deep luDechtaHvIS orc 'ej lIb QIHna'Daj, theodenvaD jatlh aragorn: joHwI', QaH wISuqmeH 'ej pawmeH boqwI'pu', lIghwI'pu' tIngeH. 'a jang theoden: ..'ej nuQaHmeH paw 'Iv. elves dwarves joq DapIH'a'. juppu'lI'mo' bIDo' 'a pIrurbe'.. ghIq jatlh aragorn: nuQaH gondor.. 'a mu'meyDaj naQmoHpa', qagh theoden: gondor, bImeq'a'. 'op poH ret, nuDechtaHvIS jaghpu'ma', nuqDaq 'oH gondor. nuqDaq 'oH gondor.. DaH mu'meyvam DIqel net 'utmoH.. nuqDaq 'oH gondor.. Human neH maH, 'ej DI'rujvammo' mapujba'. pIj, nuDech jaghpu' rurbogh ghu'mey'e', 'ej pIj nuDechtaHvIS gholpu' mangghommey mamob. mamobchu'. ngugh, maQaDchoHmeH, pay' SaHchoH latlhpu' 'e' wItul, vabDot SaHchoH nulonta'bogh nuvpu'. 'ach vIt 'IQ wIjunlaHbe': maHvaD paw pagh.. not. ropyaH qachDaq vatlh law' SID vIleghpu', 'ej Do'Ha' Heghpu' 'op SID. 'IQ ghu'vam; 'ach 'IQqu' latlh ghu': HeghtaHvIS mob HochHom. 'ej, qaStaHvIS Qu'wIj poH, 'ej SIDpu'vam vIlegh jIQubtaH.. qorDu' ghaj nuvpu'vam, latlhpu' ghaj nuvpu'vam, pIvtaHvIS mobbe' nuvpu'. DaH, qatlh lon Hoch. tagha', mamob. qo'vamDaq maboghDI' mapuj 'ej pagh wISov; qo'vamvo' wItlheDtaHvIS, mapujqa' 'ej SaHqang pagh. vaj, nughelqa' theoden: maHvaD paw 'Iv. 'ej majangmeH wa' mu' neH wIjatlh net poQ: pagh'e'. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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jacket patches with "real" Klingon?
by De'vID 08 Dec '16

08 Dec '16

I recently purchased some new fall/winter jackets. I wanted to decorate them with patches (the type that's ironed or sewn on). Can anyone point me to patches with "real" Klingon on it? I've found plenty online with decorative Klingon, but none of them say anything. Did the KLI ever produce such patches? -- De'vID

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Klingon Word of the Day: jungwoq
by qurgh＠wizage.net 08 Dec '16

08 Dec '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, December 08, 2016 Klingon word: jungwoq Part of speech: noun Definition: China Source: TalkNow - Learn Klingon!, revealed 30 September 2011 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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