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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Is the {telDaq wovmoHwI'} legal
by Michael Kúnin 05 Dec '16

05 Dec '16

As mentioned before in this list, it can be analysed as {[telDaq wovmoH]wI'}, so it is perfectly legal. P.S. To avoid confusion: {mayqel qunenoS} and I are different persons.

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Klingon Word of the Day: 'eQway' 'echlet
by qurgh＠wizage.net 04 Dec '16

04 Dec '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, December 04, 2016 Klingon word: 'eQway' 'echlet Part of speech: noun Definition: mouse pad Source: qepHom 2015 p.19 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Do you use olive oil ?
by mayqel qunenoS 04 Dec '16

04 Dec '16

jISIv.. 'elaDya'Daq, mavutmeH olive oil wIlo'taH, jatlhmo' tejpu': porghvaD QaQqu' olive oil. 'amerI'qa'Daq latlh SepmeyDaq je nuq oil Sar bolo'taH. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Clarifying the {'e'}
by mayqel qunenoS 04 Dec '16

04 Dec '16

the reason which makes me daily inflict on this list, every possible subject I am able to think of, is because I'm hoping through writing klingon to discover areas of grammar that continue to elude me.. yesterday, this goal was achieved when at another thread the following sentence was written: SuStel: > *qo'vam'e' yInvam'e' je jIH mubechmoH bIH* > *as for this world and life, they make me suffer* at first I wasn't able to understand it, but as soon as I read SuStel's explanation (and realized what's going on), I was shocked to realize how ignorant I was with regards to the true nature of {'e'}. So, I want to discuss this further.. pelaD ! So far, I knew that nouns carrying a type-5 suffix are always placed at the beginning of the sentence. Words carrying the {-vaD}, {-Daq}, {-vo'}, {-mo'}.. And I could certainly understand the reason. But I never had considered a noun carrrying the {-'e'}, being put at the start.. In fact, until yesterday, the only uses of the {'e'} I was aware of were: 1. to emphasize a noun, regardless its position in the sentence. 2. to clarify in a sentence with the {-bogh} who does what to whom. 3. its role in nouns which would follow the {'oH} and the {ghaH}. So far so good.. but when I read SuStel's sentence, my world came upside down. lets read it again: SuStel: > *qo'vam'e' yInvam'e' je jIH mubechmoH bIH* > *as for this world and life, they make me suffer* I began to ask myself: what's happening here ? we have nouns put at the beginning of the sentence carrying the {'e'}, and as a result obtaing the translation "as for the (noun)..". And as a result of this translation, the rest of the sentence starts to revolve around this/these nouns. So, if my understanding of this use of {'e'} is correct, I can write: SoSlI''e' vIghro'lIj HoHta' as for your mother, she killed your cat vIghro''e' bo'DeghDaj Sopta' as for the cat, it ate his bird SoH'e', verengan Ha'DIbaH SoH. as for you, you're a ferengi dog. So, I would like to ask: SuStel (or anyone else), are the above sentences correct ? is my understanding of this use of {'e'} correct ? because if it is, oh if it is ! I will explode from happiness having discovered something entirely new, which I've been ignoring during my entire klingon life ! (as short yet fruitful as it may be..) hehehe qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Is the {je} necessary ?
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Dec '16

03 Dec '16

suppose I want to say: "this world, this life, I hate them". there are two ways to proceed: {qo'vam yInvam je vImuS} {qo'vam yInvam vImuS} I am wondering whether the {je} is necessary, thus making the second sentence wrong. I understand that perhaps at the second sentence one could get the meaning that "I hate this life", and being left to wonder what's the story with the {qo'vam}. but I think that context would clarify that. or perhaps without the {je}, someone could read "I hate this life of this world". but again, would this possible ambiguity be the problem, or is there some grammar reason because of which I should use the {je} ? perhaps I want this ambiguity, perhaps I find the feeling of this sentence to be better without the {je}.. so, all I want to know is "is the {je} necessary" ? is there some grammar reason because of which it is necessary ? qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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A cat and a fireplace
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Dec '16

03 Dec '16

ah.. qImroq bIr jajmey.. qaStaHvIS jajmeyvam, mataHmeH Doch puS neH DIghajnIS: qul Daq, qa'vIj tuj, vIghro' ghun.. Dochvam DIghajchugh vaj maHvaD qay'wI' tu'be'lu'. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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meqmeyvammo' numuStaH
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Dec '16

03 Dec '16

qen, much vIbejtaHvIS pa' jatlhlu': tera'vamDaq yItchoHDI' Qunpu', bechchoH Humanpu'. mu'meyvam vIQoyDI', SIbI' wa' ngoD potlh vItlhoj; lughlu'bej. chaq chalvo' paw Qunpu'vam, chaq be'vo' bogh Qunqoqvam.. 'ach teH wa' Doch neH; numuStaH. numuSqu'taH. peghel'egh.. peghel'egh DaH 'e' vIpoQ. nuSeHmeH Qunpu'vam qatlh reH nID chaH. meq le'mo' qaStaH wanI'vam. 'oHvaD meq tu'lu' net poQ. qar'a'. 'ach, nuq 'oH meqvam'e'. Datu'meH tlhab yabraj net 'utmoH. 'ach toy'wI''a'pu' lImojmoHchugh Qunpu'qoqvam, not vIt DatlhojlaH.. meq law'mo', numuStaH HI''a'pu'vam, Qunpu'qoqvam.. mamuSHa'laHmo', manga'chuqlaHmo', manonglaHmo' numuStaH. ngajmo' yInmaj potlh yInvam, 'ej jubbe'wI' maHmo' meHghem wIchenmoHlaH. jubbe'wI' maHmo' nenchoHlaH qa'maj, 'ej jubbe'wI' maHmo' potlh Hoch tup Hoch lup'e'. pagh Qunpu' DIlob net 'utmoH; pagh HI'pu', pagh HI''a'pu'. maHvaD Qun 'oH qa'ma''e' neH.. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Klingon Word of the Day: vev
by qurgh＠wizage.net 03 Dec '16

03 Dec '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, December 03, 2016 Klingon word: vev Part of speech: verb Definition: pin, attach or fasten with a pin Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Isn't here a {'e'} missing ?
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

tup law'qu' ret, much vIbejrup 'a pay' qaS lot ! I realized a disturbing fact with regards to this canon sentence.. yIlaD! : Qo'noS romuluS je boSuqlaH. vabDot tera' Qejbogh DIvI' ram boSuqlaH. kronos, romulus and even the puny federation's precious earth, are all up for grabs. DaH jIghel: based on the translation, shouldn't there be a {'e'} shoved up the end of {tera'} ? hmm ? shouldn't it ? HIja' vay' ! jISovnIS ! ..and as if things weren't complicated enough, another catastrophe occured ! while writing the {HIja' vay'} for "someone tell me", I accidentally wrote {yIja'lu'}; however, as soon as I corrected it I was left to wonder.. what would that mean ? would that mean "someone (unspecified singular) tell him !" ? qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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HIjang! (Tao Te Ching question)
by Brian Cote 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

<Hello.> wen puS tlhIngan Hol vIHaDchoH. DaH "paq'batlh" vIlaDlI' ('ach pIj mu'ghomwIj vIlo'nIS 'e' vIchID vIneHbej). "pIn'a' qan paQDI'norgh" vIlaD 'e' vInabta', 'ach paqvam vIje'meH vISamlaHbe'. 'ej vaj DaH Saghel ... 1) qep'a'Daq 'oH vIje'laH 'e' DuH'a'? 2) 'oH lIngqa'lu''a'? pagh 3) DuHbe' (1), (2) je. Satlho'. tlhoS jIlIj. QImSIr 'oH pongwIj'e'.

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