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Maltz about fear
by Lieven L. Litaer 05 Feb '18

05 Feb '18

For the little verse I posted before this message, I asked Marc Okrand if there is a noun for "fear". As expected, he definitely confirmed there is not, because Maltz is a tough guy who does not know fear. Of course he is. :-) He also provided some nice way to translate the phrases. These are always nice to have as additional canon examples. ----begin quote-------------------------------------- Maltz says he knows no word for "fear." Maltz is one tough dude. He thinks using {ghIj} can work, however. "You will encounter fear tomorrow" might be {wa'leS DughIj vay'} or {wa'leS DaghIjlu'} ("Tomorrow somebody will scare you," "Tomorrow you'll be scared") "How do I recognize fear?" might be something like {vIghIjlu' chay' 'e' vISov?} ("How do/will I know that I'm scared?") "fear speaks very loud" can be recast using similar but different imagery: {DaghIjlu'chugh bItIwqu'} "If you're scared, you'll react really emotionally" {DaghIjlu' 'e' DabuSHa'laHbe'} "You can't ignore that you're scared" {DaghIjlu'chugh chuSqu' QIn} "If you're scared, the message is really noisy" (or {DaghIjlu'DI'…} "When you're scared…") {DaghIjlu'chugh jachqu' maQ} "If you're scared, the sign/omen yells (loudly)" (or {DaghIjlu'DI'…} "When you're scared…") {DaghIjlu'chugh ghumqu'lu'} "If you're scared, the alarm is really sounded" (or {DaghIjlu'DI'…} "When you're scared…") or {…ghumlu'bej} "…the alarm is certainly sounded" or {…ghumlu'chu'} "…the alarm is sounded perfectly" These are only ideas; there are certainly other ways to do this. ----end quote---------------------------------------- Okrand added that if you find something absolutely wrong, don't accept it as a new rule. Typos are always possible. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/MarcOkrand

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Klingon Word of the Day: waS
by Klingon Word of the Day 05 Feb '18

05 Feb '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, February 05, 2018 Klingon word: waS Part of speech: verb Definition: wrong, awry Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: mIvwa'
by Klingon Word of the Day 05 Feb '18

05 Feb '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, February 03, 2018 Klingon word: mIvwa' Part of speech: noun Definition: scar (result of a wound, regardless of how the wound occurred) Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Qoylu'taH
by Klingon Word of the Day 05 Feb '18

05 Feb '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, February 04, 2018 Klingon word: Qoylu'taH Part of speech: verb Definition: the clock is ticking (idiomatically) Source: qepHom 2017 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Simple pIqaD typeface
by Daniel Dadap 04 Feb '18

04 Feb '18

Hello all,               danIlmoH ‘oH pongwIj’e’. tera’ngan jIh. mungwIj ‘oH ‘amerI’qa’ SepjIjQa’’e'. TexasDaq juHwIj ‘ach NewYorkDaq jIboghpu'. (Hope that was vaguely grammatical - that’s about as far as I’ll attempt conversing in Klingon for now.) I attempted to post this yesterday, but the message included an image attachment which was apparently too large, so here goes again with a smaller version of the image. I'm attempting to learn Klingon again, which I've done on several short-lived occasions since the mid '90s, and this time I'm trying to make a more solid effort. While studying the pIqaD I went through the exercise of designing a pIqaD typeface to help me learn the forms. I've styled it as a simple, "sans-serif" design which I call "pIqaD nap" (I hope that makes sense in tlhIngan Hol), and was curious to get some feedback from experienced pIqaD readers to see how "intuitively" legible it is. Here's a small sample: I know designs like this have been done before (see e.g. Nokia Pure Klingon), but I just couldn't get myself to agree with some of the choices made in any of the existing fonts that have been done in this vein. (For example, 'b', 'Q', 'r', and 'S' in the Nokia font seem a bit off to me when compared with the standard glyph shapes.) I'd appreciate any feedback on tweaks that experienced Klingonists may have on how to make these more recognizable as pIqaD while maintaining the overall design aesthetic. I plan on releasing the font under the SIL Open Font License after I've had a chance to tweak the kerning tables some more. ( If the image does not appear, you can try viewing it at: https://imgur.com/a/3mL0k )

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing "all of us"
by seruq 02 Feb '18

02 Feb '18

But "we", by its nature, refers to more than one entity. vIghro' is singular. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 1/29/18, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing "all of us" To: tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org Date: Monday, January 29, 2018, 4:58 AM DloraH:> I read [Hoch maH] as " all the us's", "all the we's", as in multiple > groups. It is not speaking of the entirety of a single group I'm afraid I disagree. If we say, for example, {Hoch vIghro'mey DIlegh}, we will understand "we see all the cats". All the cats our words concern. Whether there is just a single group or more, that's unspecified. Though I doubt, someone's mind will go on to think that there may be multiple groups. So, I don't think someone will understand, that there are multiple groups of cats, and the {Hoch vIghro'mey} is used to describe the entirety of these groups, taken together as a whole. ~ nI'ghma On Jan 29, 2018 03:20, "seruq" <seruq(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: I read [Hoch maH] as " all the us's", "all the we's", as in multiple groups. It is not speaking of the entirety of a single group. As for [maH Hoch], similar to the plural suffix, unless you need to remove ambiguity, then no need to use it. Just use maH. But I can see the possibility of it's use. A: mab wIlaj maH B: chaq bolaj tlhIH 'op neH A: maghwI' vIHoH, DaH wIlaj maH Hoch - DloraH ______________________________ _________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo. cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org -----Inline Attachment Follows-----

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verbs necessarily taking objects
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Feb '18

02 Feb '18

There is something I can't understand, something which I think I had asked sometime ago, but I still have trouble understanding.. There are verbs which can't take an object. And there are verbs which can take an object.. But are there verbs which always must have an object ? At another thread I read: 'oqranD: > The grammatical difference is that {rang} can take an object (the > thing the subject is responsible for) -- and it would be weird for it > not to have an object So, this means that there are verbs which must necessarily take an object, right ? Verbs like {rang}, verbs like {DIl}. Am I right ? Could someone clarify this matter ? ~ nI'ghma

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Klingon Word of the Day: ngomwI'
by Klingon Word of the Day 02 Feb '18

02 Feb '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, February 02, 2018 Klingon word: ngomwI' Part of speech: noun Definition: geek Source: Festival of the Spoke Nerd This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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The soldier encounters fear
by Lieven L. Litaer 02 Feb '18

02 Feb '18

I've been asked to translate these lines, and I wanted to share them with you because they sound very klingon-like. On the eve of battle on a cold and windless night, an old general turned to a young soldier. may' nungbogh ram, bIr muD 'ej SuS Hutlh. mang QupvaD jatlh Sa' qan. "Tomorrow," said the master, "you will know fear." »wa'leS«, ja' pIn'a', »DaghIjlu'.« The young soldier who had not yet experienced the agony of war looked at the general with quizzical eyes. not veS bep SIQpu' mang Qup. vaj Sa' ghel. "How will I know fear if I do not know what it looks like?" »not mubam wanI'vetlh. vIghIjlu' chay' 'e' vISov?« The general replied, jang Sa', "You will know fear because it speaks very fast and it speaks very loud." »DaghIjlu'DI' nom jachqu' maQ 'ej chuSqu' QIn.« If that is how fear acts, recognizing it is easy. reH chuSchugh QInDaj, vaj ngeDbej 'oH ghovmeH Qu'. As the young soldier considered the general's advice, he asked the question facing him now. Sa' qeS buSDI' mang Qup, bambogh ghu'mo' ghel ghaH. "Once I know fear, how do I defeat it?" »vIghIjlu'DI', chay' ghu' vIjeylaH?« The general replied, "The only way to defeat fear is to tell it, 'No'." jang Sa': »ghIjbogh maQ jeylu'meH, 'oHvaD ja'nISlu': Qo'.« -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/DSC115

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be responsible
by Lieven L. Litaer 01 Feb '18

01 Feb '18

Maltz has answered some of my questions while watching Discovery which I don't want to keep secret from you any longer. I'm sending them in individual messages to keep the subject line separated. To talk about "growing plants" (i.e. plant them and making them grow), Okrand suggested to use {wIj} "farm". I asked for {chep}, but he said that {chep} does not work with plants. When I asked for a phrase like "you are responsible for his actions" or "you are responsible for [someting]". Maltz gave use the verb {rang} "be responsible for". The word for "volcano" is {qulHuD}. No space. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Maltz

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