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Klingon Word of the Day: yuwey
by Klingon Word of the Day 29 Jan '18

29 Jan '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, January 27, 2018 Klingon word: yuwey Part of speech: noun Definition: continent Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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boQwI' pronunciation
by David Holt 29 Jan '18

29 Jan '18

De'vID, I don't know if qurgh has shown you his new game that he has created. It requires one to listen to your boQwI' pronunciations and type out what you hear. I've noticed a few complications with the pronunciations, but the biggest one for me is that it seems you pronounce your {a} differently depending on the consonant that precedes it. When boQwI' says {qam} I hear [qam] as I expect. But when I listen to {lam} without being able to see the word, I hear [læm]. https://hol.kag.org/sentence/qam+lam+qam+lam+qam+lam I suspect that you may be allowing the forward consonants to pull your {a} forward and with the slight raise of the tongue, especially for the {l}, I'm often hearing your {a} as an {e}. Do you (and others here) agree that the difference is there? Is this something you're doing intentionally? Is it something that should be fixed? Jeremy

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Klingon Word of the Day: tellarngan
by Klingon Word of the Day 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, January 28, 2018 Klingon word: tellarngan Part of speech: noun Definition: Tellarite Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing "all of us"
by mayqel qunenoS 28 Jan '18

28 Jan '18

Thank you all for replying. Reading your replies, I learned something important, something which eluded me so far. I didn't know that in a noun-noun construction, where the second noun is {Hoch} or {HochHom}, that this second noun is the head-noun. All this time I believed, that some special rules apply, with regards to the {Hoch} and {HochHom}. But apparently they don't, so I learned something important, thanks. However, as Rhona Fenwick pointed out, why not use {Hoch maH} ? Even if {maH Hoch} indeed violates the accord rule, the {Hoch maH} evades the accord problem, so everything is ok. So, unless someone disagrees with Rhona, I will be using {Hoch maH}, which I like a lot. Thank you QeS, for sharing this idea. ~ nI'ghma On Jan 28, 2018 10:04, "Rhona Fenwick" <qeslagh(a)hotmail.com> wrote: ghItlhpu' mayqel, jatlhpu': > Sometime ago, I had asked of a way to say "all of us", as if in "all of us like cats". (poD vay') > {vIghro'mey DImuSHa' maH Hoch} ? > all of us love cats As others have pointed out, since the head of the phrase *maH Hoch* is still *Hoch*, it should condition third-person agreement. With that said, I think that it should not be *maH Hoch* as nIqolay suggests, but *Hoch maH*. *Hoch* thus acts as a normal quantifier for its nominal (in this case, pronominal) head. For instance, we know *Hoch nuvpu'* is "all of the people", and we also know from *paq'batlh* that *Hoch negh* is "all of the soldiers" (*paq'raD* 11.21), and it's only a very small step to go from these to *Hoch maH*, which should take first-person plural agreement. We don't have any canon examples, but I feel it's a natural extension of the properties of both *Hoch* and pronouns as outlined in TKD 5.1. I don't think it's the least bit unnatural to say, for instance, *targh DIparHa' 'op maH 'ach vIghro' DIparHa' Hoch maH* "some of us like targs, but all of us like cats". Whether we can leave out the free pronoun *maH* to give the same meaning is, of course, an entirely different kettle of *qagh*. Many pro-drop languages permit this: Georgian, Turkish, Finnish and Spanish, at least. But we can't in good conscience assume that Klingon also does this, not least because Klingon seems to be more rigid with its targets of agreement than many Earth languages are. jangpu' SuStel, jatlh: > The fierceness with which people desire a y'all in Klingon horrifies me. This is no different. I disagree strongly. Not only are the conversational implicatures of speaking *to* a bunch of people versus speaking *on behalf of* a bunch of people quite different, but a vast array of human languages with rigidly defined number agreement are quite happy to allow plural pronouns of all sorts to be quantified. What's more, in Klingon there's nothing we know explicitly about either *maH* or *Hoch* that should in principle get in the way of our using them together should the situation call for it. The *only* problem we have is that we just don't have an explicit canon example illustrating how or whether Klingon quantifies pronouns, though I believe we have enough information about both quantifiers and free pronouns to be able to extrapolate (in the absence of a contradictory formal rule, at least). Also, no less a speaker than Seqram consciously lampshaded the "all of us" question at the end of his article about *Hoch* more than two decades ago ( *HolQeD* 5:2.11), so with all due respect (and I do have much respect for you), maybe ease up a bit on being horrified. QeS 'utlh _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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-bogh and je
by David Holt 25 Jan '18

25 Jan '18

Do we have an official way to describe an object with two {-bogh} verbs? If we want to use more than one verb that is not a "be" verb (or a more than two "be" verbs) how do we do that? We have {yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'}, but it doesn't seem good to me and I write it off as poetic licence. Even if we consider {je} to be acting adverbally here, I still have trouble with the object of {yoH} being in the following sentence. Has Dr. Okrand told us that this is the way to make two verbs describe one noun or are there better ways? Jeremy

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Please Stand By
by Lieven L. Litaer 25 Jan '18

25 Jan '18

After a the entire scene has been published now, maybe qurgh can tell us more about these words. Unfortunately, the actor obviously messed up one phrase. See the Klingon wiki for details: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/PleaseStandBy -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de

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LinkedIn vIlo'choH
by Lieven L. Litaer 25 Jan '18

25 Jan '18

qaStaHvIS DISmey law' 'oH vIlo' vIneHbe'. 'ach DaHjaj vuDwij vIchoHpu'. LinkedIn vImuv rIntaH. pa' muSam neHchugh vay', vaj choSammeH pongwIj yIlo': https://www.linkedin.com/in/lievenlitaer/ -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery

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Klingon Word of the Day: bagh
by Klingon Word of the Day 25 Jan '18

25 Jan '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, January 25, 2018 Klingon word: bagh Part of speech: verb Definition: tie Source: ADD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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context of nej
by mayqel qunenoS 24 Jan '18

24 Jan '18

I know we can say {'avwI' vInej} for "I search for the guard". Meaning "I'm trying to locate him". But could the same sentence {'avwI' vInej} mean as well "I search the guard" ? Meaning, "I search him in order to see if he is armed" ? ~ nI'ghma

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] dothraki Hol
by mayqel qunenoS 24 Jan '18

24 Jan '18

QapmeH Hol mutlhlu'ta'bogh, qaSnIS ghu' Sar. 'ej quqnIS ghu'meyvam.. tlhIngan HolvaD ghu'meyvam tu'lu'mo', Qap tlhIngan Hol: 1. Hov lengmo', noychoH tlhIngan Hol. 2. qaS tlhIngan Hol qep'a'mey qepHommey je. 3. tlhIngan Hol chenmoHtaH wa' nuv neH. 4. 'oqranD ghantoHmey neH pabqangchu' tlhIngan Hol yej'an Hoch. meqmeyvammo' noychoH tlhIngan Hol, 'ej meqmeyvammo' tlhIngan Hol wIlo'taHvIS mayajchuqlaH. qar'a' ? *dothraki* HolvaD loS ghu'vam tu'lu''a' ? ghobe'. Do'Ha' -*dothraki*vaD-, qaSbe' ghu'meyvam.. qaStaHvIS tuch, *dothraki*vaD qaS'a' ghu'meyvam ? Sov qeylIS neH.. 'a, not tlhIngan Hol Qapla' ghaj *dothraki*. 'e' vIHarbej. ~ nI'ghma On Jan 22, 2018 17:40, "André Müller" <esperantist(a)gmail.com> wrote: HaSta jIHDaq Hol 'oghlu'ta'bogh Qoylu'DI', reH jIQuch. *Na'vi* Hol ghajmo' *Avatar*, *Sindarin* *Quenya* je ghajmo' «Qebmey joH», *Lang Belta* ghajmo' *The Expanse*, jIQuch je. 'opleS *Na'vi* Hol vIghoj vIneH, Holtej tIqwIj belqu'moH Holvam. «quS Quj» («chuch qul je bom» joq) vIbejbe', jIHvo' Dajqu'be'mo', 'a Holmey pargh vIparHa'mo' *Dothraki* Hol pab mu'ghom je vIje'ta'. 'ach lujbej'a' Holvetlh? DaSovbe'bej, 'a «quS Quj» lumuSHa' qabDu' law'. lubej juppu'wI' law'. jav ben HaSta jIHDaq *Dothraki* Hol Qoylu'pu' qar'a'? DaH law'be' jatlhwI'pu'Daj, qar'a'? tera' DIS 1991 tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI'pu' law'qu''a'? chaq QIt ghur *Dothraki* Hol jatlhwI'pu' mI'... maSovbej. «quS Quj»-Daq latlh Hol jatlhlu' 'e' DaSov'a'? 'oHvaD *High Valyrian* ponglu'. paq tu'lu'be', 'ach 'InternetDaq *Duolingo* nIqHom Dalo'chugh, pa' Holvetlh DaghojlaH. vInIDpu'be' jIH. tlhIngan Hol lu'otHa'pa' jIloSlI'. pItlh. - André On Jan 22, 2018 15:59, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > wa' nuv Segh 'agh *game of thrones*, 'ej SeghvamvaD *dothraki* ponglu'. > > maj.. > > 'ej, qen jIghoj: *dothraki* Hol tu'lu'. Holvam chenmoHlu'ta', 'ej pab > mu'tay je ghaj Holvam. > > maj, jIjatlhqa'. > > 'a, *dothraki* Hol vIQubtaHvIS, wa' DI'ruj vItlhoj: lujbej Holvam. SanDaj > 'oH. > > 'ej, qatlh luj *dothraki* Hol ? > > wa' meq le'mo'.. meqvammo' Qappu' tlhIngan Hol, 'a meqvam rapmo' luj > *dothraki* Hol: > > jatlhwI'pu'Daj mI'mo'.. > > qatlh Qappu' tlhIngan Hol ? Hov lengmo'. tlhIngan Hol noymoH Hov leng. > maj.. 'a wa' latlh meq tu'lu'. tlhIngan Hol lujatlhmo' nuv law'qu', > nenchoHlaH. HachchoHlaH. > > 'a *dothraki* Hol lujatlh nuv 'ar ? *dothraki* lujatlh nuv puSqu' neH. > vaj, HachlaHbe'. > > 'ej meqvammo', tagha' luj. > > ~ nI'ghma > > _______________________________________________ > tlhIngan-Hol mailing list > tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org > http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org > > _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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