November 2021 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon food vocabulary
by James Landau 22 Nov '21

22 Nov '21

I spent most of the last several hours adding food words (including a new section for meals) to http://klingon.wiki/En/FoodVocabulary I went about it by looking for words in the food section and words for edible plants in the plant section of the Landau Core Vocabulary, and finding words that had Klingon equivalents, but weren't already on the wiki article's list. I'm pretty sure I've got all the real words (including edible animals' meats), but there may be some fictional foods I've overlooked (confession: I've never watched Star Trek). I decided not to add *borghel* because although it sounds like a quail to me, I can't figure out the pun and I'm not really sure that borghel is intended to be quail. I have eaten quail, though, and it is delicious, as are their eggs.

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back and front
by Lieven L. Litaer 22 Nov '21

22 Nov '21

In the context of QelIS boqHarmey, Maltz told us you can use the words {logh'ob} ("chest") and {Sa'Hut} ("butt") to refer to the front and back of a car. (p. 232) During the qepHom 2021 Q&A session, he explained this a bit more. All of these words are not directly from Marc Okrand, they are my own explanation of a longer discussion. First, he made clear this only applies to cars, motorcycles and also space ships and similar things, but not the the front/back of everything, e.g. not for a computer screen, or a bottle or similar. Regarding space ships, somebody objected that we do have words for "fore" and "aft". Here he agreed that there is some kind of overlap, but still a slight difference: roughly said, the "aft" and "fore" of the ship is more a 3-dimensional space, where people can meet and where things can be located ("cargo bay is in the aft of the ship"), and when you use the word {Sa'Hut} to refer to the ship's back, it's the 2-dimensional surface at the end. Think of the license plate, which is not in the trunk of the car, it's on the back of the car. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland

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goethe about greece
by mayqel qunen'oS 21 Nov '21

21 Nov '21

e I'm sharing this because I know, that many of you couldn't sleep last night, wondering what Goethe had to say about Greece. So, here it is: "What is the mind and heart for the man, is greece for the whole world". t ram vorgh, QongchoHmeH 'op naDev nuv, nIDtaH, 'a QongchoHlaHbe'chu', 'elaDya' lubopbogh goethe mu' Sovbe'mo'. 'e' vISovmo', QInvam vIngeH. vaj: < nuvvaD potlhchu' yab tIq je, 'ej jaSHa' qo' HochvaD potlhchu' 'elaDya' > Or.. < taychoHmeH nuv, potlhchu' yabDaj tIqDaj je, 'ej taychoHmeH qo', jaSHa' potlhchu' 'elaDya' > Or maybe: < qo' yab qo' tIq je 'oH 'elaDya''e' > Or maybe even: < nuvvaD Qu' luturbogh yabDaj tIqDaj je' 'oH qo'vaD Qu''e' turbogh 'elaDya' > Of the four options, the most direct seems to be the third, perhaps the most literal is the last, but the one I like most is the second, since I think is the one closer to what Goethe actually meant. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Klingon Word of the Day: ngaDmoHwI'
by Klingon Word of the Day 20 Nov '21

20 Nov '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, November 16, 2021 Klingon word: ngaDmoHwI' Part of speech: noun Definition: stabilizer (component of a ship) Source: KGT (222 KE, 258 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] *'op* and inherently plural nouns / *-ta'be'* / *Get responsible!*
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 20 Nov '21

20 Nov '21

Thank you, Dana'an, charghwI', SuStel and Lieven L. Litaer for your replies! Dana'an: > If you'd like you could check out these discussions: > http://lists.kli.org/pipermail/tlhingan-hol-kli.org/2019-September/013132.h… > http://lists.kli.org/pipermail/tlhingan-hol-kli.org/2020-April/014757.html > http://lists.kli.org/pipermail/tlhingan-hol-kli.org/2020-April/014866.html Thank you for these really interesting threads! I had searched the archives, but I didn't find them. They have been very useful! I will try to illustrate what I've understood with a few examples: *vISopta'* - I set out to do this action: eating / this action was accomplished (for example, I was hungry and I was looking for a restaurant, I found it and I ate) *vISopta'be'* - I set out to do this action: eating / this action wasn't accomplished (I found no restaurant and I had to go to work without eating, see PK: *loDnI'wI' bIHoHta'be'*, *My brother, you failed to kill*) *vISopbe'ta'* - I set out to do this action: not eating / this action was accomplished (for example, I was on a diet and I didn't eat anything at the party) *wej vISopta'* - I set out to do this action: eating / this action hasn't been accomplished yet (I'm still looking for a restaurant) *bong vISoppu'* - I didn't set out to do this action: eating / this action was accomplished (for example, if I've accidentally eaten the pit of a fruit) - if context is clear, *bong* is not necessary (*-pu'* doesn't say anything about wether I set out to do the action or not) If I'm at least not totally wrong, I will be really happy!

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Klingon Word of the Day: ngang
by Klingon Word of the Day 19 Nov '21

19 Nov '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, November 19, 2021 Klingon word: ngang Part of speech: verb Definition: straddle Source: qep'a' 28 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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*'op* and inherently plural nouns / *-ta'be'* / *Get responsible!*
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 19 Nov '21

19 Nov '21

Just three questions motivated by the last discussions: 1. Is there anything wrong in using *'op* with inherently plural nouns, for example: *'op ngop*? The whole construction would remain grammatically singular, right? 2. If I want to say *She hasn't sold it*, I can say *ngevpu'be'*. What would *ngevta'be'* mean? That she set out to sell it, but she didn't accomplished it? Has *-ta'be'* always the meaning of failing? Or can we also use it just to negate that an action took place? 3. To someone whose decision in a certain situation can have important consequences, I can say *Be responsible!*. That would be, I think, *yIngoy''eghmoH*. But if, speaking to an inmature person, I say *Get responsible!* or *Become responsible!*, would it be *yIngoy''eghchoHmoH* or just *yIngoy'choH*? (I know there is the verb *moj*, but I would like to know how the imperative of state / quality verbs works). Thank you!

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] *-moH* with verbs of state / quality
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 19 Nov '21

19 Nov '21

charghwI': > I’m curious about how one would describe someone washing dishes carelessly enough to not check to make sure they actually are clean when done. They go through the motions of washing them, but it’s hit or miss as to whether or not the dishes are cleaned. > {Say’Ha’moH} implies that the dishes were clean and he made them not clean, un-cleaning them, or miscleaning them. But it’s hit or miss. Some dishes come out clean. Some don’t. {Say’moHbe’} implies not going through the motions of washing. > {Say’moHlaw’} probably comes closest, or {Say’moHchu’be’}. Then again, in English, there isn’t an efficient way of describing this, either. I guess one needs to just describe the action beyond a simple, well-formed verb. {Say’moHlaw’ ‘ach Say’moHchu’be’}. > Other ideas? Of course, I'm not an expert, but I like the idea of *Say'moHchu'be'*. To express the *hit or miss* part maybe we could say something like: *'op ngop neH Say'moHchu'* (*she / he causes only some plates to be perfectly clean*) or, if we want to focus on the change: *'op ngop neH Say'choHmoHchu'* (*she / he causes only some plates to become perfectly clean*).

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owl vs rabbit 1-0
by mayqel qunen'oS 19 Nov '21

19 Nov '21

Always bet on the owl; look closely at the area of the owl's talons. (SuSuDnISchugh, reH lIr yIwIv; lIrvam pach Daq yInuDqu'). https://www.flickr.com/photos/51600413@N02/51686793742/ -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Klingon Word of the Day: DIS
by Klingon Word of the Day 18 Nov '21

18 Nov '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, November 18, 2021 Klingon word: DIS Part of speech: noun Definition: cave Source: TKD (84 KE, 161 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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