August 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

wa' wanI' Huj
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Aug '17

03 Aug '17

tlhIngan Hol vIghojmeH, Hoch jaj mu'tay vIHaD. Hoch jaj pabDaj vIHaD. 'ej Hoch jaj, qaStaHvIS poH nI', De' chu' vIbuv. maj.. jIbepbe'; ghojlu'meH vumnISlu'taH. ngoDvam vISovchu', 'ej capricorn jIHmo' jIvumchoHDI' jIQuchchoH. 'a tlhIngan De' chu' vIbuvtaHvIS, Doch vImuSHa'bogh vIqaSmoHlaHbe'; tlhIngan Hol vIghItlhlaHbe', poH yap vIghajbe'mo'. wa' jaj, *notes*wIjDaq, tlhIngan Hol bopbogh De' Hoch'e' vIchel. 'e' vISov. wa' jaj, tlhIngan Hol De' Hoch vIbuv. not jIbupmo' ngoQvam vIchavbej. 'ej ngugh, tagha', jIleSlaH 'ej tlhIngan Hol vItIv. qunnoq Strangely, the process of learning derives you of the goal of learning, which is to actually enjoy whatever it is you are trying to learn.

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Hoch and HochHom variations
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Aug '17

03 Aug '17

Hoch chab = each pie Hoch chabmey = all pies HochHom chabmey = almost all the pies chab Hoch = all the pie chab HochHom = almost all (of the) pie Would the following make sense ? Would they actually mean anything, and if yes then what ? chabmey Hoch HochHom chab chabmey HochHom qunnoq

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chebmey per morgh
by nIqolay Q 03 Aug '17

03 Aug '17

Maltz mentioned that air pressure is usually measured in terms of something like chebmey per morgh. I wanted to see how this related to Earth measurements of pressure (for instance, like one might see in a weather report). One cheb is (about) 2.25 kg, or 4.96 pounds. One morgh is 27 square ujes. An uj is (about) 34.83 cm, which is 13.713 inches. 13.713 * 13.713 * 27 = 5077.25 square inches. So one cheb per morgh is 4.96 pounds/5077.25 square inches = 0.000977 psi. (9.77E-4 in exponential notation). It is also 6.74E-2 millibars, 1.99E-3 inHg, and 5.05E-2 mmHg. Using a pressure of 1020 millibars (the current pressure in DC and NY, rounded), we can express that in Klingon as 15133.5 chebmey per morgh. Using cheb'a'mey, which are nine chebmey, we can get smaller, more convenient numbers: a cheb'a'mey per morgh is 8.79E-3 psi, 0.606 mb, 0.0179 inHg, and 0.455 mmHg. So converting 1020 millibars, we get 1683 cheb'a'mey per morgh, which is the same magnitude as the millibar measurement. (Or about 1683, at least; there might be some rounding errors in my math here. Simply dividing 15133.5 by nine also works, and gives 1681.5.)

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Combining {-meH} with a question
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Aug '17

03 Aug '17

Can we have a {-meH} phrase followed by question ? e.g.: maQapmeH chay' mavangnIS ? In order to succeed how do we need to act ? or romuluSngan DaHoHmeH, nuq 'oH nuH'e' ? romuluSngan DaHoHmeH, nuH 'oH nuq'e' ? In order that you kill the romulan what is the weapon ? choQaHmeH bIHeQQo''a' ? in order to make me angry you refuse to comply ? qunnoq

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Klingon Word of the Day: naDqa'ghach
by Klingon Word of the Day 03 Aug '17

03 Aug '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, August 03, 2017 Klingon word: naDqa'ghach Part of speech: noun Definition: re-commendation Source: This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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wikiwiki (was Re: Klingon Weather Forecast)
by Michael Roney, Jr. 03 Aug '17

03 Aug '17

jatlh Lieven: I had a chance ask Marc Okrand, and he said that Maltz had never heard of a "wiki", but he pronounced it as {wI'qIy}. << this is canon now. But note that it's not a Klingon word, just the klingon spelling for a federation word, like {'e'levan}. Here's the entire message: (see http://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz_170801.html) ------------- "Wiki" in English is pronounced with stress on the first syllable, which has the same vowel sound as "with" or "which" or "hit" – Klingon {I} – and the second syllable is the same as English "key." So it rhymes with "Mickey" or "picky." If "Klingonized," I think it would be {wI'qIy}. It's not a Klingon word, but Klingons would use the Federation Standard word (probably pronounced in the Klingon way) for this Federation thing. I don't know if Klingons have a similar sort of thing. I'll have to see what Maltz has to say. (It's okay to forward this information – the important part is that it's not a Klingon word, but the Klingon pronunciation [and spelling] of a Federation Standard word that Klingons use from time to time. Same as {'e'levan}. Or you can wait and we can just include it in the qepHom wish list.) > > I'm not sure who Matlz's Hawaiian tutor is, but shouldn't "wiki" be transliterated as {wIyqIy}? Hawaiian has a glottal stop, and "wikiwiki" doesn't have one. This song from Lilo & Stitch uses the phrase "wiki wiki" for those that wish to listen to the pronunciation: https://youtu.be/JUq8i_NGytE ~naHQun

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'aQvoH
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Aug '17

03 Aug '17

This means "act of watching over a fallen warrior's body", with the "fallen" meant as in "dead" ? I mean is {'aQvoH} some kind of wake ? qunnoq

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Marc's Basement (was Re: same sex marriage)
by Michael Roney, Jr. 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Lieven <levinius(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > Maltz says that, more and more, he's hearing an older word, {tlhogh}. (I don't know how he's hearing this – my basement isn't really equipped for extraterrestrial communication – but I certainly believe him.) I once had a coworker approach me out of the blue and say that she was very concerned that Marc had an alien locked in his basement and hoped that he (Maltz) was being provided with proper care. She went on and on about Matlz's well being for quite some time and finished by saying that she was going to contact the proper authorities to follow up on the matter. ~naHQun

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] wikiwiki (was Re: Klingon Weather Forecast)
by Michael Roney, Jr. 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

wiki vs. To hurry, hasten; quick, fast, swift ~Michael Roney, Jr. Sent from my Palm Prē -------- Original message --------From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> Date: 8/2/17 15:30 (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] wikiwiki (was Re: Klingon Weather Forecast) lieven:> Most don't even knwo what it meant initially. vaj, tagha'Ha' nuq 'oH ? so, what did it mean initially ? qunnoq On 2 Aug 2017 10:01 pm, "Lieven" <levinius(a)gmx.de> wrote: Am 02.08.2017 um 20:47 schrieb Michael Roney, Jr.: Lieven, if you wouldn't mind, could you inform Maltz that "wiki" is a Hawaiian word and not an English one. And then I'll likely shut up on the matter. I'll try what I can do, because I am not in direct contact with Maltz. I guess the basic problem is that Maltz is a Klingon informant in contact with the federation, whose primary language is "Federation Standard", i.e. English. This explains why nearly all of the loanword are based on English and not anything else. For instance, see {pIqarD}, which should be "pIyqagh" from the French pronunciation, or {'anyan} and other fruits which is different in most languages on earth. You may also see it from this perspective: Maltz was asked if he new what a wiki is by an English speaker. Maltz didn't know the word and just repeated it how he heard it, and that's what Marc Okrand wrote down. Am 02.08.2017 um 20:56 schrieb nIqolay Q: > One could make the argument that it's an English word that was derived > from Hawaiian. The English word "wiki" doesn't mean the same as the > Hawaiian, for instance. Good point. English speakers - especially computer geeks - see the word wiki as a term for some computer system. Most don't even knwo what it meant initially. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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The use of 'aqroS
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

We have the canon phrase {'aqroS qughDo} for "maximum cruising speed". (canon because it is from the bird of prey poster). The way I analyze this phrase, it is "cruising speed of maximum". Would it be acceptable if we wrote {qughDo 'aqroS} for "the maximum of cruising speed" ? Would it mean the same ? At another thread I wrote {'Internet Do yap vIghaj} for "I possess sufficient speed of internet". Initially though, I wanted to write "I possess maximum internet speed". So, I wonder.. What should I write ? {'Internet 'aqroS Do vIghaj} or {'Internet Do 'aqroS vIghaj} ? qunnoq

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