August 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

bommey 'IQ
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

reH, muSIvmoH wanI'vam.. bI'IQchoH DaneH'a' ? vay' Daghelchugh vaj ghaytan jang, ghobe'. 'a, pIj bommey 'IQ parHa' nuv. 'ej vIparHa' je. 'e' vIchID. qatlh ? jISovchu'be'. wa'Hu', yaHwIjDaq jIHtaH, 'ej bom 'IQ vI'IjchoH. bomvammo' jI'IQchoH, 'a bomvam vImevbe'. chaq, maHvaD 'op ghu' qawmoH 'op bom. 'ej le'mo' ghu'meyvam, bomvam DI'Ij. 'ej bomvammo' ma'IQchoHDI', maqawnISmo' bomvam DImevQo'. 'a taQ. chaq rut ma'IQchoHnIS. 'ej jIHvaD Hov leng lut qawmoH wanI'vam. Dep qIH jemS tIy qIrq. 'ej ghaHvaD jatlh Depvam. jatlh, 'oy'lIj vInge'. 'a ghIq jang qIrq 'ej jatlh: Qo' ! 'oy'wIj vIparHa' ! 'oy'wIjmo' le' qa'wIj ! vaj, chaq, meqvammo' bom 'IQ DIparHa'. maHvaD wanI'mey le' qawmoHmo'; qa'maj luSIghqu'pu'bogh wanI''e'. qunnoq

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] bommey 'IQ
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

jIH: wa'Hu', yaHwIjDaq jIHtaH, 'ej bom 'IQ vI'IjchoH. bomvammo' jI'IQchoH, 'a bomvam vImevbe'. lieven: > vay' DamevlaHbe', mev vay' neH. mev bom DaneHchugh, vaj > yImevmoH. If I understand correctly, you mean that {mev} is intransitive ? Meaning that I can't say {bom vImev} for "I stop the song" ? And I can only say {bom vImevmoH} ? qunnoq On 2 Aug 2017 7:10 pm, "SuStel" <sustel(a)trimboli.name> wrote: On 8/2/2017 11:59 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: > 'a, pIj bommey 'IQ parHa' nuv. 'ej vIparHa' je. 'e' vIchID. qatlh ? > jISovchu'be'. > bom 'IQ DaQoy DaneHbejchugh, "Kilkelly, Ireland" yI'Ij. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Har'ey DungDaq vogh 'oH
by David Holt 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

I normally don't like posting videos of myself. No one needs to see a video of my ugly mug scratching my way through something. However, I thought this performance from the qep'a' cha'maH loSDIch cabaret was unique enough that I ought to share it anyway. https://youtu.be/gu7cJMIycxM

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon weather forecast
by Michael Roney, Jr. 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

Is this our first Hawaiian to Klingon loan word? ~naHQun ~Michael Roney, Jr. Sent from my Palm Prē -------- Original message --------From: Lieven <levinius(a)gmx.de> Date: 8/2/17 02:26 (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon weather forecast Am 01.08.2017 um 10:27 schrieb mayqel qunenoS: > Is the word {wIqI} canon ? I had a chance ask Marc Okrand, and he said that Maltz had never heard of a "wiki", but he pronounced it as {wI'qIy}. << this is canon now. But note that it's not a Klingon word, just the klingon spelling for a federation word, like {'e'levan}. Here's the entire message: (see http://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz_170801.html) ------------- "Wiki" in English is pronounced with stress on the first syllable, which has the same vowel sound as "with" or "which" or "hit" – Klingon {I} – and the second syllable is the same as English "key." So it rhymes with "Mickey" or "picky." If "Klingonized," I think it would be {wI'qIy}. It's not a Klingon word, but Klingons would use the Federation Standard word (probably pronounced in the Klingon way) for this Federation thing. I don't know if Klingons have a similar sort of thing. I'll have to see what Maltz has to say. (It's okay to forward this information – the important part is that it's not a Klingon word, but the Klingon pronunciation [and spelling] of a Federation Standard word that Klingons use from time to time. Same as {'e'levan}. Or you can wait and we can just include it in the qepHom wish list.) ------------- -- Lieven L. Litaer http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Loanword _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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new Klingon names from Star Trek Discovery
by De'vID 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

CBS has released a series of posters at STLV showing the primary characters. The Klingons have their names written in {pIqaD} script. For example, we learn that L'Rell is {lIr'el}. https://twitter.com/marythechief/status/892614120817647616 https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/892613843536322564 https://twitter.com/isolinearchick/status/892617978902061057 It looks like the third from the right says {voq} in {pIqaD}. There's no such character name listed in the cast, though. -- De'vID

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon weather forecast
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

Is the word {wIqI} canon ? qunnoq On 1 Aug 2017 11:20 am, "Lieven" <levinius(a)gmx.de> wrote: peqIm, qep'a'Daq muD Dotlh mu'mey wIHevta'mo', DaH 'oH wIDellaHchu'. tlhIngan Hol wIqIDaq mIwvamvaD nIqHom ghunta' wIqI qonwI'. janvetlh DalISmeH, yu'muDDaq venglIj DaghItlhlaH. leQ Da'uyDI', jang jan: [ChicagoDaq ghaytan SISbe' 'e' 'aqlu'.] 'ej laDlaHbe'wI'vaD mIlloghHom cha'lu'. naDev yIwaH: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Weather SKI: get your weather forecast in Klingon. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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With regards to invectives
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Aug '17

02 Aug '17

So we have the {jay'}, which always comes at the end of the sentence, transforming the entire sentence into an invective. But how are the other invectives i.e. {va} {Hu'tegh} {ghay'cha'} {baQa'}, used ? Are they placed at the end of the sentence ? Somewhere else within the sentence, or are they placed between sentences ? qunnoq

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SuStel please tell me, I need to know..
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Aug '17

01 Aug '17

SuStel jupwI', 'op wen, qaghel: tlhIngan Hol quenya ghap. Hol DamaSbogh yIngu'. 'a ngugh bIjangQo'. bIjangQo', 'ej 'e' vIvuv. 'a qaStaHvIS jar law', jISIv.. nuq 'oH SuStel Hol qaq'e' ? tlhIngan Hol ? quenya ? qaStaHvIS ram Hoch, QongDaqwIjDaq jIQot, 'ej jIQonglaHbe'taHvIS jIghel'eghtaH.. nuq 'oH SuStel Hol qaq'e' ? nuq 'oH SuStel Hol qaq'e' ? nuq 'oH SuStel Hol qaq'e' ? vaj, jISovnIS ! qaqoy' ! jISovnIS.. choja'Qo'chugh vaj jImaw'choH ! qunnoq

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] So sarcophagus you say ? hmm..
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Aug '17

01 Aug '17

felix malmenbeck, bIjangtaHvIS, tlhIngan Hol Dalo'mo' jIbel. 'a 'op Doch DIpojnISbogh tu'lu'. vaj.. felix malmenbeck: > tlhInganpu' Sar law' Humanpu' Sar law' 'e' > vIHar. Initially the law'/law' construction confused me, but finally I remembered that instead of the classic law'/puS, there are alternate versions such as the law'/law'. So, in this case the meaning obviously is "klingons are as varied as the humans". The choice of the double {law'} instead of a double {puS} obviously is made to express that both klingons and humans are "varied to a great degree". Instead of "varied to a small degree", which would be the case if we had a double {puS}. felix malmenbeck: > wa' nughHom'e' motlh vay', latlh nughHom'e' > motlh latlh. This messed me up real good until I finally managed to figure it out. It must mean "as for one small society someone is usual, as for another small society another is usual". Although I still can't understand why you used {nughHom} instead of {nugh}. felix malmenbeck: > lommey meQmoH 'op. lommey meQmoH 'op. "Some make corpses burn. Some make corpses burn". I don't understand why you wrote {meQmoH} instead of just {meQ}. Also why repeat the same sentence twice ? felix malmenbeck: > rIQwI'pu'vaD lom 'ay'Du'chaj nob HeghDI' 'e' 'Ip > 'op 'ach nobQo' latlhpu' law'. Isn't here the {law'} on the {latlhpu'} somewhat redundant ? Doesn't the {-pu'} inherently mean "many" ? So, why say {latlhpu' law'} instead of just {latlhpu'} ? felix malmenbeck: > taQ ghaH net ja'. Is {ja'} a verb of speech ? If yes, don't the same rules apply for it, as they apply for {jatlh} ? And if yes, then how is it possible to quote what someone said, through the use of {net} ? felix malmenbeck: > *DaqS* qeng puqloD HeghmoHpu'DI' chISwI', > lom meQmoHta' qeng. wa' jaj chISwI' HoH 'ej > tIqDaj Sop 'e' 'Ip. Although I have no idea who or what the {chISwI'} and the transliterated {DaqS} is, I can understand the sentence; however I can't understand why you chose {HeghmoH} over {HoH}. And I wonder too, with regards to the choice of {meQmoHta'} over a simple {meQta'}. qunnoq On 31 Jul 2017 7:25 pm, "nIqolay Q" <niqolay0(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:11 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > SKI: At a Star Trek Next Generation episode, two Klingons have died, > and Picard asks the Klingon captain, what he is to do with the bodies. > Then the Klingon captain replies: "They are empty vessels; treat them > as such". > > As a result of this scene, I don't think that Klingons would utilize > elaborate sarcophaghi, in order to dispose of corpses which -according > to their beliefs- are nothing more than empty shells. > Maltz did say that Klingons didn't use sarcophagi anymore. Also, I think it's important to remember that real cultures aren't totally monolithic and homogeneous, even if that's how they like to present themselves. In existing show canon, there are a number of variations on Klingon funerary practices. There's the {Heghtay}, where you hold the eyes open and scream. There's the {'aQvoH}, where you stand watch over the corpse. A "Klingon mummification glyph" is referenced in Star Trek 4, so clearly they did that at some point. And nobody held open Chancellor Gorkon's eyes after his assassination. It's not a major contradiction, but rather simply a sign that Klingons (much like, say, humans in Starfleet) are more diverse than they seem (or want to seem) to outsiders. MO has touched on this idea occasionally: acknowledging that an empire could have room for another language like Klingonaase (see http://klingonska.org/canon/ 1996-08-rt.txt), the opening to The Klingon Way describing how seemingly-contradictory proverbs can still fit in the same culture, and the whole section in KGT about the myth of Klingon conformity. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Klingon Word of the Day: lIHtentay'
by Klingon Word of the Day 01 Aug '17

01 Aug '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, August 01, 2017 Klingon word: lIHtentay' Part of speech: noun Definition: Lichtenstein Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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