August 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

Special forms of law' puS
by mayqel qunenoS 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

There are certain special forms of law' puS constructions, which are discussed at HolQeD 13.1, p.8-10, Mar. 2004. Because there are more chances for me to visit Qo'noS, than ever acquiring any HolQeD issues, I would like to ask: 1. At this HQ issue it says: "To say that something is as X as something else [...], or {law'} is used with {rap} or {nIb} (the latter of which implies the two things being compared are exactly the same in some way). And the following examples are given: {tlhIngan woch law' tera'ngan woch rap} The klingon is as tall as the terran {tlhIngan woch law' tera'ngan woch nIb} The klingon is (exactly) as tall as the terran The question I want to ask is: Is it possible at the examples above, to have {puS} instead of {law'}, and if yes, then how does that alter the meaning ? 2. At the same HQ issue it says: "It is also possible to use {puS} with {rap} or {nIb}, but that carries a connotation of disparagement". What does this mean ? Can someone who knows for certain write an example ? 3. At the same HQ issues it also says: "To say that something is not as X as something else, {pIm} is used in place of the second verb in the pair". And the following example is given: {QuchlIj vIl law' QuchwIj vIl pIm} Your forehead is not as ridgy as my forehead I want to ask, if in this sentence in the place of {law'} we could have {puS}. And if the answer is yes, then how does that alter the meaning ? qunnoq

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Transitivity of {nay} and {Saw}
by Philip Newton 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

Is anything known about whether {nay} and {Saw} are transitive and/or intransitive, or how they are used? Specifically, are they "marry" in the sense of "get married" (intransitive) or "get married to [person]" (transitive)? Given http://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz_170713.html and its endorsement of the grammaticality of {naychuq} and {Sawchuq} and its example of {B tlhogh A}, I assume that {nay} and {Saw} work similarly and that one can say {qeylIS nay luqara'} and {luqara' Saw qeylIS}. But presumably also {wa' Hogh pIq jISaw} "I'm going to get married next week", without an object. And I think I read something about {A B je tlhoghmoH C} for "C (officiant) marries (performs the marriage of) A and B; C causes A and B to be a married couple", though I can't find it in that message from Maltz. ... ah, it's from page "Other 3" of https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/qepa-chamah-losdich/qepa-chamah-losdi… . Does all that sound about right? Thanks! Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <philip.newton(a)gmail.com>

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Klingon Word of the Day: ghut
by Klingon Word of the Day 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, August 02, 2017 Klingon word: ghut Part of speech: verb Definition: predict Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: puH beQ
by Klingon Word of the Day 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, August 04, 2017 Klingon word: puH beQ Part of speech: noun Definition: plains, flatlands Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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law' puS variations
by mayqel qunenoS 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

We know we can say: {la' jaq law' yaS jaq puS} The commander is bolder than the officer But can we say: {yaS jaq puS la' jaq law'} The officer is less bold than the commander ? And can we say: {la' jaq puS yaS jaq law'} The commander is less bold than the officer ? Also, we know we can say: {la' jaq law' Hoch jaq puS} The commander is boldest of all But can we say: {Hoch jaq puS la' jaq law'} All are less bold than the commander ? And can we say: {la' jaq puS Hoch jaq law'} The commander is less bold than all ? qunnoq

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original canon information on Facebook
by De'vID 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

On a few occasions, original canon information have been posted to Facebook, which is somewhat unfortunate as posts are not accessible without an account. Furthermore, I've discovered that older posts may disappear. Here are the posts containing original canon information that I know about: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/468288866612668/ {ghIn pIn} n. abbott https://www.facebook.com/zrajm/posts/10154361398897846/ {jIr} excl. Big deal!, Who cares! Whoop-dee-doo!, La-dee-dah! https://www.facebook.com/groups/tlhInganHol/permalink/1005787589437500/ {qIt} n. a kind of bird [later also widely revealed at Saarbrücken qepHom 2016] https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/1386341591474053/ {muylIS} n. eyelash [just now from qep'a' 2017] These latter two links appear to be broken and no longer accessible, but contained information on the words {qoSta'} and {'aplo'} not found elsewhere: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/459675987473956/ {qoSta'} may be thought of as a flat version of {SIrgh} https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/459684117473143/ {'aplo'} is the generic term for a small container -- De'vID

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A (rather transparent) pun in {muylIS}
by Michael Kúnin 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

"cilium" backwards

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Klingon in Star Trek: Discovery
by De'vID 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-klingon-language/ "All of that work may finally pay off in a big way; according to executive producer Gretchen J. Berg, viewers who speak Klingon will be able to understand what the Klingon characters are saying without having to read the subtitles." It's hard to believe that they could have filmed a lot of correct Klingon dialogue without involving someone known to the community. I believe Marc Okrand has said he isn't involved (but don't remember the source). Does anyone know if Britton Watkins is? I suppose that anyone from the community who *is* involved isn't allowed to talk about it... -- De'vID

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HeghmoH
by mayqel qunenoS 04 Aug '17

04 Aug '17

In tkd {HeghmoH} is given as "be fatal". Does this mean that whenever someone uses it, he *has* to use it in order to say that "something is fatal" ? And thus only use it as a be verb ? Can't someone use it in order to say "something/someone caused something/someone to die" ? And so use it in a transitive way ? qunnoq

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ra'ghom
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Aug '17

03 Aug '17

On another thread, our honorable Canon master shared with us the sentence: tera' jar Soch, DIS wa' Hut jav Hut, maSDaq SaqmeH Qu' wa'Dich HochHom turlu'taHvIS, wej logh lengwI'pu' pa'mey 'oH APOLLO wa'maH wa' ra'ghom bobcho' COLOMBIA'e'. The Apollo 11 Command Module, Columbia, was the living quarters for the three-person crew during most of the first manned lunar landing mission in July 1969. (NASM) maj.. But what the jay' is {ra'ghom} ? All I knew of, was the tkd's {ra'ghomquv} for "high command". qunnoq

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