Hoch chab = each pie Hoch chabmey = all pies HochHom chabmey = almost all the pies chab Hoch = all the pie chab HochHom = almost all (of the) pie Would the following make sense ? Would they actually mean anything, and if yes then what ? chabmey Hoch HochHom chab chabmey HochHom qunnoq
On 8/3/2017 5:53 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Hoch chab = each pie Hoch chabmey = all pies HochHom chabmey = almost all the pies
*HochHom */thing(s)/ = /almost all of the //things/ is not found in canon, but I think no one would find it exceptional.
chab Hoch = all the pie chab HochHom = almost all (of the) pie
/thing/ *HochHom* = /almost all of the thing/ is found in canon; /thing/*Hoch* = /all of the thing/ is not. The latter is an extrapolation based on the former.
Would the following make sense ? Would they actually mean anything, and if yes then what ?
chabmey Hoch HochHom chab chabmey HochHom
You're asking about explicit plural suffixes or their lack. The answer is we don't know. If I had to guess, I'd guess that *chabmey Hoch* /pies' allness/ refers to the totality of the group of pies (rather than to the pies themselves), *HochHom chab* means exactly the same thing as *HochHom chabmey,* and *chabmey HochHom* /pies' almost-allness/ refers to the not-quite-totality of the group of pies. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
maj. I remember in the past, us having discussed the first group of Hoch/HochHom, i.e.: Hoch chab = each pie Hoch chabmey = all pies HochHom chabmey = almost all the pies chab Hoch = all the pie chab HochHom = almost all (of the) pie And having concluded, that even those which aren't canon make sense, and thus are valid. I wanted to ask about the three variations, of which I wrote in my original post (chabmey Hoch, HochHom chab, and chabmey HochHom), in case there was something I was missing. qatlho' SuStel ! qunnoq On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:38 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 8/3/2017 5:53 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Hoch chab = each pie Hoch chabmey = all pies HochHom chabmey = almost all the pies
HochHom thing(s) = almost all of the things is not found in canon, but I think no one would find it exceptional.
chab Hoch = all the pie chab HochHom = almost all (of the) pie
thing HochHom = almost all of the thing is found in canon; thing Hoch = all of the thing is not. The latter is an extrapolation based on the former.
Would the following make sense ? Would they actually mean anything, and if yes then what ?
chabmey Hoch HochHom chab chabmey HochHom
You're asking about explicit plural suffixes or their lack. The answer is we don't know.
If I had to guess, I'd guess that chabmey Hoch pies' allness refers to the totality of the group of pies (rather than to the pies themselves), HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey, and chabmey HochHom pies' almost-allness refers to the not-quite-totality of the group of pies.
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SuStel:
HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey
Why is that ? I can't understand it. qunnoq On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:22 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
maj.
I remember in the past, us having discussed the first group of Hoch/HochHom, i.e.:
Hoch chab = each pie Hoch chabmey = all pies HochHom chabmey = almost all the pies
chab Hoch = all the pie chab HochHom = almost all (of the) pie
And having concluded, that even those which aren't canon make sense, and thus are valid.
I wanted to ask about the three variations, of which I wrote in my original post (chabmey Hoch, HochHom chab, and chabmey HochHom), in case there was something I was missing.
qatlho' SuStel !
qunnoq
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:38 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 8/3/2017 5:53 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Hoch chab = each pie Hoch chabmey = all pies HochHom chabmey = almost all the pies
HochHom thing(s) = almost all of the things is not found in canon, but I think no one would find it exceptional.
chab Hoch = all the pie chab HochHom = almost all (of the) pie
thing HochHom = almost all of the thing is found in canon; thing Hoch = all of the thing is not. The latter is an extrapolation based on the former.
Would the following make sense ? Would they actually mean anything, and if yes then what ?
chabmey Hoch HochHom chab chabmey HochHom
You're asking about explicit plural suffixes or their lack. The answer is we don't know.
If I had to guess, I'd guess that chabmey Hoch pies' allness refers to the totality of the group of pies (rather than to the pies themselves), HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey, and chabmey HochHom pies' almost-allness refers to the not-quite-totality of the group of pies.
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On 8/3/2017 10:44 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey Why is that ? I can't understand it.
As I said, that was just my guess. I suppose *HochHom chab* could mean /almost all the pies, taken individually./ /Shrug./ We just don't know. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Okrand’s use of {HochHom} might help: … qItI'nga' Duj. tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH wej HochHom lo'lu'taH [The] K'Tinga-class [ship] remained in use for most of the 23rd century. (S15) tera' jar Soch, DIS wa' Hut jav Hut, maSDaq SaqmeH Qu' wa'Dich HochHom turlu'taHvIS, wej logh lengwI'pu' pa'mey 'oH APOLLO wa'maH wa' ra'ghom bobcho' COLOMBIA'e'. The Apollo 11 Command Module, Columbia, was the living quarters for the three-person crew during most of the first manned lunar landing mission in July 1969. (NASM) --Voragh On Behalf Of SuStel On 8/3/2017 10:44 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: SuStel: HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey Why is that ? I can't understand it. As I said, that was just my guess. I suppose HochHom chab could mean almost all the pies, taken individually. Shrug. We just don't know. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
SuStel:
HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey I suppose HochHom chab could mean almost all the pies, taken individually.
What does "almost all the pies, taken individually" mean ? I can understand the "almost all the pies" on its own. But the addition of "taken individually" confuses me. qunnoq On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Okrand’s use of {HochHom} might help:
… qItI'nga' Duj. tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH wej HochHom lo'lu'taH
[The] K'Tinga-class [ship] remained in use for most of the 23rd century. (S15)
tera' jar Soch, DIS wa' Hut jav Hut, maSDaq SaqmeH Qu' wa'Dich HochHom
turlu'taHvIS, wej logh lengwI'pu' pa'mey 'oH APOLLO wa'maH wa' ra'ghom
bobcho' COLOMBIA'e'.
The Apollo 11 Command Module, Columbia, was the living quarters for the
three-person crew during most of the first manned lunar landing mission
in July 1969. (NASM)
--Voragh
On Behalf Of SuStel
On 8/3/2017 10:44 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey
Why is that ? I can't understand it.
As I said, that was just my guess. I suppose HochHom chab could mean almost all the pies, taken individually.
Shrug. We just don't know.
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On 8/3/2017 11:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey I suppose HochHom chab could mean almost all the pies, taken individually. What does "almost all the pies, taken individually" mean ? I can understand the "almost all the pies" on its own. But the addition of "taken individually" confuses me.
/All the pies /means, look at that group of pies! That's a group of pies. /All the pies, taken individually/ means, look at that pie, and that pie, and that pie, and that pie, and that pie! /Almost all the pies,/ and /almost all the pies, taken individually,/ mean the same things, except some pies are left out. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
SuStel:
I suppose HochHom chab could mean almost all the pies, taken individually.
Would you say that "almost all the pies, taken individually" applies for {HochHom chabmey} as well ? SuStel:
Almost all the pies, and almost all the pies, taken individually, mean the same things, except some pies are left out.
Some pies are left out from the "Almost all the pies", or from the "almost all the pies, taken individually" ? Or from both ? qunnoq On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 6:09 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 8/3/2017 11:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
HochHom chab means exactly the same thing as HochHom chabmey I suppose HochHom chab could mean almost all the pies, taken individually.
What does "almost all the pies, taken individually" mean ? I can understand the "almost all the pies" on its own. But the addition of "taken individually" confuses me.
All the pies means, look at that group of pies! That's a group of pies.
All the pies, taken individually means, look at that pie, and that pie, and that pie, and that pie, and that pie!
Almost all the pies, and almost all the pies, taken individually, mean the same things, except some pies are left out.
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On 8/3/2017 1:44 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
I suppose HochHom chab could mean almost all the pies, taken individually. Would you say that "almost all the pies, taken individually" applies for {HochHom chabmey} as well ?
I'm not SAYING that at all. I'm making vague guesses. But, following the pattern of *Hoch X[mey],* if the plural suffix is present, it implies they are not taken individually. If it is not present, they are taken individually.
SuStel:
Almost all the pies, and almost all the pies, taken individually, mean the same things, except some pies are left out. Some pies are left out from the "Almost all the pies", or from the "almost all the pies, taken individually" ? Or from both ?
Both. We're talking *HochHom,* not *Hoch.* -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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