original canon information on Facebook
On a few occasions, original canon information have been posted to Facebook, which is somewhat unfortunate as posts are not accessible without an account. Furthermore, I've discovered that older posts may disappear. Here are the posts containing original canon information that I know about: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/468288866612668/ {ghIn pIn} n. abbott https://www.facebook.com/zrajm/posts/10154361398897846/ {jIr} excl. Big deal!, Who cares! Whoop-dee-doo!, La-dee-dah! https://www.facebook.com/groups/tlhInganHol/permalink/1005787589437500/ {qIt} n. a kind of bird [later also widely revealed at Saarbrücken qepHom 2016] https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/1386341591474053/ {muylIS} n. eyelash [just now from qep'a' 2017] These latter two links appear to be broken and no longer accessible, but contained information on the words {qoSta'} and {'aplo'} not found elsewhere: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/459675987473956/ {qoSta'} may be thought of as a flat version of {SIrgh} https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/459684117473143/ {'aplo'} is the generic term for a small container -- De'vID
On 1 August 2017 at 05:33, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
These latter two links appear to be broken and no longer accessible, but contained information on the words {qoSta'} and {'aplo'} not found elsewhere:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/459675987473956/ {qoSta'} may be thought of as a flat version of {SIrgh}
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/459684117473143/ {'aplo'} is the generic term for a small container
The disappearance of the {'aplo'} definition is especially unfortunate, as it appears that this information is missing from the KLI New Words list: https://www.kli.org/about-klingon/new-klingon-words/ {'aplo'} n. case, enclosure [The precise meaning is uncertain. The gloss given here is derived from wab qoSta' 'aplo' audiocassette and 'ul 'aplo'mey batteries.] -- De'vID
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:33 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On a few occasions, original canon information have been posted to Facebook, which is somewhat unfortunate as posts are not accessible without an account. Furthermore, I've discovered that older posts may disappear.
Here are the posts containing original canon information that I know about:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/468288866612668/ {ghIn pIn} n. abbott
I do not consider "I once heard Marc Okrand say X" as a definitive source. In any case, this is a phrase that means pretty much what the individual words mean, and I doubt that anyone who could read it would need to have it defined explicitly. Until it's confirmed by either a forwarded email or by the testimony of multiple people who were present, I'm not going to give it publicity.
https://www.facebook.com/zrajm/posts/10154361398897846/ {jIr} excl. Big deal!, Who cares! Whoop-dee-doo!, La-dee-dah!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/tlhInganHol/permalink/1005787589437500/ {qIt} n. a kind of bird [later also widely revealed at Saarbrücken qepHom 2016]
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/1386341591474053/ {muylIS} n. eyelash [just now from qep'a' 2017]
These are in the New Words List, with appropriate attribution and with more information.
These latter two links appear to be broken and no longer accessible, but contained information on the words {qoSta'} and {'aplo'} not found elsewhere:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/459675987473956/ {qoSta'} may be thought of as a flat version of {SIrgh}
https://www.facebook.com/groups/LearnKlingon/permalink/459684117473143/ {'aplo'} is the generic term for a small container
These words are also in the New Words List, though the first one doesn't have the specific commentary you suggest and the second doesn't have the certainty of what you wrote. Without an indication of where those phrases came from, I'm not going to record them as official. As they appear to have been deleted, I suspect whoever wrote them realized he was presenting his own speculation as if it were authoritative and decided to withdraw it. -- ghunchu'wI'
Am 01.08.2017 um 07:13 schrieb Alan Anderson:
I do not consider "I once heard Marc Okrand say X" as a definitive source. In any case, [...]
I absolutely agree with Alan. I do trust that the information may be true, but it has become a common trend among Klingonists that we publish any information as soon as we get it (or as as soon as we allowed to publish it). So if that would be a "new word", it should have been posted at least to the list like "Hey look, Okrand told me that x means Y in Klingon." Saying it as a sidenote is a bit strange, indeed. On the other hand, qurgh said on FB "there's a new word now for eyelash: muylIS" - that is an official announcement, although I wish he'll write it to the list as a summary of the qep'a' (or did I miss that message?) Nevertheless, Facebook is really not a good source to archive, nor a good way to search things, as you cannot just click on "see messages of April 2013" - the mailing list does have that option. BTW, I hate it (in general) when people say "Why don't you know that? I wrote it on Facebook..." For archiving larger, messages from Okrand on FB, I suggest making screenshots and upload these to some place, like I did here: http://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz_100901.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:06 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 01.08.2017 um 07:13 schrieb Alan Anderson:
I do not consider "I once heard Marc Okrand say X" as a definitive source. In any case, [...]
I absolutely agree with Alan. I do trust that the information may be true, but it has become a common trend among Klingonists that we publish any information as soon as we get it (or as as soon as we allowed to publish it). So if that would be a "new word", it should have been posted at least to the list like "Hey look, Okrand told me that x means Y in Klingon."
Saying it as a sidenote is a bit strange, indeed.
On the other hand, qurgh said on FB "there's a new word now for eyelash: muylIS" - that is an official announcement, although I wish he'll write it to the list as a summary of the qep'a' (or did I miss that message?)
I did that because we had literally got the word minutes before and it just happened to be relevant to the conversation that was happening. It wasn't an offical announcement of the word. Everyone in the room received it at the same time, I just happened to be the first person to use it on the internet. I'm not sure what you mean by "a summery of the qep'a'". Is that like some kind of after action report? qurgh
Am 01.08.2017 um 08:28 schrieb qurgh lungqIj:
I did that because we had literally got the word minutes before and it just happened to be relevant to the conversation that was happening.
You did that perfectly. :-)
wasn't an offical announcement of the word. Everyone in the room received it at the same time, I just happened to be the first person to use it on the internet.
True, but also the first one to carry it "outside" to the world.
I'm not sure what you mean by "a summery of the qep'a'". Is that like some kind of after action report?
I mean all the clarifying information that came out after/during the qep'a'. Most of them were separate messages. I've summarized them in the Klingon language Wiki, but it would be good if they were in a collected message of some sort, just to be sure we don't forget anything, and for easier later reference. http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsQepa24 -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI
lieven:
Reading this message from maltz, I have to ask if these should be placed in a dictionary: ''reflection'', ''image in a mirror'' neSlo' tonSaw' Qav ''apathy" (or "apathy creature") - SaHHa'wI' "one who is not concerned" or pIlHa'wI' "unmotivated one" "corruption" (or "corruption creature") - quvHa'wI' "dishonored one" "apathy" SeHHa'ghach ("disinterest") [sic for SaHHa'ghach] (what is the sic ?) "corruption" quvHa'ghach ("dishonor") qunnoq On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 01.08.2017 um 08:28 schrieb qurgh lungqIj:
I did that because we had literally got the word minutes before and it just happened to be relevant to the conversation that was happening.
You did that perfectly. :-)
wasn't an offical announcement of the word. Everyone in the room received it at the same time, I just happened to be the first person to use it on the internet.
True, but also the first one to carry it "outside" to the world.
I'm not sure what you mean by "a summery of the qep'a'". Is that like some kind of after action report?
I mean all the clarifying information that came out after/during the qep'a'. Most of them were separate messages. I've summarized them in the Klingon language Wiki, but it would be good if they were in a collected message of some sort, just to be sure we don't forget anything, and for easier later reference.
http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsQepa24
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI
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On Aug 1, 2017, at 4:04 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Reading this message from maltz, I have to ask if these should be placed in a dictionary:
As the maintainer of a couple of dictionaries, I have to answer no. You didn't get the full context of the first one. It's an interpretative translation of the name of a book: "The Final Reflection". The reference is to a variant of a Klingon chess-like game in which the player is simultaneously trying both to capture the goal and to move to avoid letting the goal be captured. The others are also translations of names. They are not novel vocabulary; they basically mean what they say. -- ghunchu'wI'
On 1 August 2017 at 10:04, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
"apathy" SeHHa'ghach ("disinterest") [sic for SaHHa'ghach] (what is the sic ?)
"sic" is Latin and means "like that, thus, so"; it is used in English to mark a mistake in a quote, to show that the mistake was in the original which is being quoted verbatim, and that the error is not due to a miscopying or misquoting. So here it means that Marc said {SeHHa'ghach} but that this seems to be a mistake and should be emended to {SaHHa'ghach}, given the translation "disinterest" attached to it. Cheers, Philip
On Aug 1, 2017 2:56 AM, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote: Am 01.08.2017 um 08:28 schrieb qurgh lungqIj I'm not sure what you mean by "a summery of the qep'a'". Is that like some
kind of after action report?
I mean all the clarifying information that came out after/during the qep'a'. Most of them were separate messages. I've summarized them in the Klingon language Wiki, but it would be good if they were in a collected message of some sort, just to be sure we don't forget anything, and for easier later reference. I posted that 4 days ago. It's the email thread with the subject line "qep'a' cha'maH loSDIch New words and some tidbits". That email contained all the new info we had at that time. qurgh
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