June 2016 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon Word of the Day: DenIb Qatlh
by qurgh＠wizage.net 26 Jun '16

26 Jun '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, June 26, 2016 Klingon word: DenIb Qatlh Part of speech: noun Definition: Denebian slime devil Source: TKD:K-E This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: ruv
by qurgh＠wizage.net 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, June 25, 2016 Klingon word: ruv Part of speech: noun Definition: justice Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Similar attracts Similar
by mayqel qunenoS 25 Jun '16

25 Jun '16

veS chIw tlhIngan Hol ; meqvammo', wa'vam Doch pIHlu'nIS : nuv vaQ rIt tlhIngan Hol. qunnoq

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Klingon Word of the Day: quy'Ip
by qurgh＠wizage.net 24 Jun '16

24 Jun '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, June 24, 2016 Klingon word: quy'Ip Part of speech: noun Definition: vomit Source: HQ v12n4 p.8 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Admire the man..
by mayqel qunenoS 24 Jun '16

24 Jun '16

jatlh tlhInganpu' : butlh ghajbogh nuv'e' yIHo' ! klingons say : admire the man with dirt under his fingernails ! 'a majatlh jIH latlh tera'nganpu' je : however I and other terrans say : qaStaHvIS ram puchpa'vaD vembe'bogh nuv, yIHo' ! admire the man who doesn't wake up for the bathroom at night ! nuv Qav quvmoHqu'lu'.. that man is truly blessed.. mop Hurgh qunnoq

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Hochpu'
by mayqel qunenoS 24 Jun '16

24 Jun '16

We know that we can use {latlhpu'} on its own, to say "others'. Example : Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH latlhpu' je. others are able to feed that animal too. Can we use the {Hoch} "on its own", in a similar way ? Would you accept the following ? Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH Hochpu' all people are able to feed that animal Ha'DIbaHvetlh luje'laH HochHompu' almost all the people are able to feed that animal and an additional question just came to mind : Hochpu' can only mean "all people", or it can mean "everyone" as well (with the distinction between the two being made by the verb prefix of the preceding verb {je'}) ? mIv Hurgh qunnoq

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the Sith and their Significance
by mayqel qunenoS 24 Jun '16

24 Jun '16

Qatlh yIn ; wIH yIn ; naS yIn.. net Sovbej. life is difficult, ruthless and hard ; we all know that. mataHmeH maHarghtaH, 'ej qaStaHvIS yInmaj tugh vItvam 'IQ wItlhoj : we're constantly fighting hard to survive, and during our lives soon we realize this sad truth : Hubmaj wa'DIch maH 'ej Hubmaj Qav maH je.. we are our first and last line of defense.. maHoS ; wIHar pIj wIneH -wIneHnIS- 'ach Human neH maH. often we want to believe -we need to believe- that we are strong but we are just human. 'ej yabmajDaq qaSpa' {maHoS} mu'tlhegh, nuqIpchoH San naQjejmey. and before we have the chance to say "we are strong", the spears of fate start hitting us. rut nureghchoHmoH 'ej pe'vIl nutorchoHmoH yIn qay'wI' 'ugh. so we start to bleed and the burden of life forces us to our knees. ngugh - maHvaD -cha' DuH tu'lu' : mabup pagh maHu'. at that time, there are two choices : quit or rise. ngeD DuH wa' ; ben law'qu' *efialtes*vaD jatlhpu' *xerxes* : the first option is easy ; once upon a time Xerxes told Efialtes : Dujatlh *leonidas* : yIQam ; 'a qajatlh : yItor ! SoHvaD wanI'vam neH vineH.. unlike Leonidas who asked that you stand, i only request that you kneel.. 'ej ngugh, DuH cha' tu'lu' je ; Daw' ! and then there is the second option.. revolt ! toH, tagha' qaS lupHomvam - lupHom neH - : bItortaH, Dujoy' yIn, bIbech.. so eventually comes this moment : you're on your knees, you're in pain, you're suffering.. chaq bIbup DaneH 'ach tIqlIj tebchu' QeH, raSDaq ro'lIj Damup 'ej bIjatlh : perhaps you want to quit but instead anger overwhelms you, so you strike your fist on the table and say : yIngegh'egh ! qIvDu'wIjDaq jIratlhQo' ; not ! go (***) yourself ! I won't stay on my knees ! never ! lupHomvetlh 'oS Sith.. Daw' lupHomvetlh.. tlhabvetlh watlh 'oS Sith. the Sith represent that moment.. that moment of defiance.. the Sith represent pure freedom. mop Hurgh qunnoq

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Disturbing irregularities
by mayqel qunenoS 23 Jun '16

23 Jun '16

Recently, I assimilated 'oqranD "message to kronos" transcript, as this is found in klingonska. While I was processing it, the following irregularities came up : 1. {tera'vo' SarI'} "I hail you from Earth". The way I understand {-vo'}, it is used to denote "movement taking place away from somewhere". However, in this sentence, the meaning is rather "I'm at earth, and from here I'm communicating". Perhaps, one could say that "the thing moving away from earth is the message". But in that case, I would be expecting to see "from earth I'm sending this message". Not "from earth I hail you". 2. {'u' 'oH ghe'naQ pong} {yuQmajDaq may' ghe'naQ wa'DIch wIQoybogh 'oH 'u'} Obvious {-'e'} omission, on the last word of both sentences 3. {Marc Okrand jIH} "I am Marc Okrand" This sentence made my console light up like a christmas tree. We know that in order to ask "who are you", we use {SoH 'Iv} ; which means that the name comes after the pronoun. {SoH mayqel} = "you are michael". In this sense, in order to say "I am mayqel", the sentence should be formed {jIH mayqel}. Returning to the original sentence, {Marc Okrand jIH}, the way I understand it, it means "I am a Marc Okrand" ; not "I am Marc Okrand". Because irregularities like the aforementioned ones confuse me, I chose to delete the "message from kronos", from my data banks. mop Hurgh qunnoq

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Klingon Word of the Day: qItI'nga'
by qurgh＠wizage.net 23 Jun '16

23 Jun '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, June 23, 2016 Klingon word: qItI'nga' Part of speech: noun Definition: *K'Tinga* class vessel Source: KGT (224 KE, 247 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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matlh juppu' mu'mey, from HolQeD 8-3, pages 2-4
by mayqel qunenoS 23 Jun '16

23 Jun '16

I wanted to discuss some things after I would have finished klingonska, but I noticed something in a voragh sentence, which puzzled me greatly ; Before I start, I will make a trick question : As far as the behavior of adverbs is concerned, they are all the same, right ? Is there a difference between {tlhoy} and {chaq} ? So, hold that thought, and while you're holding that thought, let us read together the following excerpt provided by 'oqranD : matlh juppu' mu'mey, from HolQeD 8-3, pages 2-4 http://klingonska.org/canon/1999-09-holqed-08-3.txt -----START----- 2. too much The adverbial {tlhoy} means <overly, to an excessive degree>. It is used in such sentences as: {tlhoy jISop} I eat too much / I eat excessively {tlhoy bIQong} you sleep too much / you sleep excessively When {tlhoy} is used, it denotes that the action expressed by the verb ({Sop} <eat>, {Qong} <sleep>) is what is being overly done or done too much. Thus, the sentence: {tlhoy qagh vISop} I eat too much gagh / I eat gagh excessively / I overeat gagh expresses the notion that the eating is excessive, not that the amount of gagh is. (Note that although it is possible to say this, it is not something anybody would be likely to ever say). Similarly, {tlhoy yIHmey vIlegh} I see too many tribbles [[p.3]] means <I overly see tribbles> (perhaps this could be used if one meant something like "I see tribbles far too frequently and in far too many places"). To express the idea of "too much gagh" or "too many tribbles," the verb {'Iq} <be too many, be too much> is used adjectivally. For example: {yIHmey 'Iq vIlegh} I see too many tribbles {qagh 'Iq vISop} I eat too much gagh Sometimes, the word {law'qu'} <be very many> (formed from {law'} <be many> plus {-qu'}, the emphatic suffix) is translated "be too many." If the context is clear, this is acceptable, but if it is important to stress the idea of "overly many, overly much, more than there ought to be," {tlhoy} or {'Iq} is usually employed. -----END----- The way I process all this, is that the adverb refers to the verb of the sentence. So, now, let us look the sentence that the canon master provided for us at the "Disturbing irregularities" thread : chaq SoHvo' vay' vIje' vIneH [Maybe I'd like to buy something from you.] PK This sentence is a SAO, utilizing {neH} and of course omitting the {'e'}. So far so good. A SAO construction is two sentences. The sentence before the {'e'} and the sentence after it. Adverbs, time stamps and indirect objects which refer to the second sentence are placed just before the {'e'}, or just before the {neH}. After all this, I would expect in the voragh sentence the {chaq} to be placed just before the {vIneH}, in order to express the "maybe I'd like to buy". The way, it is given, I read "I want to perhaps buy something from you". Not "perhaps I'd like to buy something from you". Maybe the difference is insignificant, but I believe that in the strict sense of the rules, the {chaq} should be placed before the {vIneH}. mIv Hurgh qunnoq

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