Klingon Word of the Day: tlhIn
Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, March 27, 2018 Klingon word: tlhIn Part of speech: verb Definition: be particular, individual Source: qepHom 2017 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh@kli.org).
Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, March 27, 2018 Klingon word: tlhIn Part of speech: verb Definition: be particular, individual Source: qepHom 2017 _______________________________________________ (qepHom 2017 p.18): {tlhIn} "be particular, individual". (Note that "individual" in this definition does not mean simply "single, separate" but rather something like "be attributable to something or someone" or "be uniquely associated with something or someone".) DujwIj tlhIn my particular ship, my own ship (qepHom 2017) betleHlIj vIneHbe', betleHwIj tlhIn vIghaj I don't want your bat'leth, I have my own bat'leth (qepHom 2017) jagh Duj tlhIn legh HoD The captain sees the enemy's own ship. (qepHom 2017) HoD Duj tlhIn legh HoD The captain sees the captain's own ship. (qepHom 2017) HoD qan Duj tlhIn legh HoD Qup The young captain sees the old captain's own ship. (qepHom 2017) HoDlI' Duj tlhIn legh HoDwI' My captain sees your captain's own ship. (qepHom 2017) DujDaj tlhIn legh HoD The captain sees his/her own ship. (qepHom 2017) SEE ALSO: le' be special, exceptional (v) le'be' be unexceptional, nonspecific, general (v) ghaj have, possess, own (v) -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
On 27 March 2018 at 17:00, Klingon Word of the Day <kwotd@wizage.net> wrote:
Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, March 27, 2018
Klingon word: tlhIn Part of speech: verb Definition: be particular, individual Source: qepHom 2017
Does "Klin" mean anything in (John M. Ford's version of) Klingonaase? Many endonyms/autonyms (people's names for themselves) mean something like "the people" in their own language. I wonder if {tlhIn} and {tlhIngan} are related (perhaps through {tlhIn-ngan} meaning something like "inhabitants of our own planet"). Aside: How is the randomisation for KWOTD done? It seems to be disproportionately "newer words", rather than uniformly random. -- De'vID
Am 28.03.2018 um 09:48 schrieb De'vID:
Does "Klin" mean anything in (John M. Ford's version of) Klingonaase?
Bot that I know of. It's part of "Klin Zha" and "Klin Zhai", but no more.
Many endonyms/autonyms (people's names for themselves) mean something like "the people" in their own language. I wonder if {tlhIn} and {tlhIngan} are related (perhaps through {tlhIn-ngan} meaning something like "inhabitants of our own planet").
Remember that the Klingons were first situated on a planet named "Kling", but the producers soon rejected that name, being too silly. We still have the {tlhIng yoS}.
Aside: How is the randomisation for KWOTD done? It seems to be disproportionately "newer words", rather than uniformly random.
I noticed that too. It may be a technical error, but on the other hand, TKD+KGT has roughly 2000 words, and after that we got about 1000 new words, so maybe even when doing randomization, every third word is "new". -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
On Wed, 2018-03-28 at 10:08 +0200, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Am 28.03.2018 um 09:48 schrieb De'vID:
Does "Klin" mean anything in (John M. Ford's version of) Klingonaase?
Bot that I know of. It's part of "Klin Zha" and "Klin Zhai", but no more.
Many endonyms/autonyms (people's names for themselves) mean something like "the people" in their own language. I wonder if {tlhIn} and {tlhIngan} are related (perhaps through {tlhIn-ngan} meaning something like "inhabitants of our own planet").
Remember that the Klingons were first situated on a planet named "Kling", but the producers soon rejected that name, being too silly. We still have the {tlhIng yoS}.
The natives of New Zealand are called "Maori". In the Maori language, "maori" means "normal, usual, ordinary". White man comes, "who are you?" Native, "We are the maori people. Who are you?" - DloraH
On 28 March 2018 at 13:54, DloraH <seruq@bellsouth.net> wrote:
The natives of New Zealand are called "Maori". In the Maori language, "maori" means "normal, usual, ordinary".
White man comes, "who are you?" Native, "We are the maori people. Who are you?"
Right, that's exactly the scenario. Hur'q: "We're the Hur'q. Who are you?" Qo'noSngan: {yuQmaj tlhIn ngan maH. tlhIH 'Iv jay'?!} Hur'q: "Oh, you're this planet's *tlhIn-ngan*s." -- De'vID
From NOTES ON KLINGONAASE by Stewart Wiener (Princeton University) - which I found somewhere online years ago (I no longer have the URL):
klin that which is Klingon. One can be "full of *klin*," i.e., a worthy Klingon Elsewhere in my notes I have: klin the warrior spirit, endurance, willpower; the essential principle of the ideal Klingon spirit; spirit, soul; a compliment on being a "true" Klingon); capitalized, *Klin* is a term for "the people" (we people; Klingons; those beings who have spirits and souls; "real" people) (THE FINAL REFLECTION by John Ford [TFR]) klin komerex klingoni idiom roughly meaning "the heart and soul and spirit of the Klingon civilization" (TFR) klin zha "the Klingon game", i.e. the Klingon equivalent of chess (TFR) klin zha kinta "the game with live pieces." *Klin zha* played as a stylized combat game, like living chess but deadlier. (TFR) klingonaase Klingon (adj), the language or "in the style of", i.e. "they spoke French" or "that gown is very French" (cf. *fedegonaase*, i.e. Federation Standard). The suffix /-aase/ does not quite equate to /-ese/; it has a connotation of worldview, or world-manipulating tool, cf. *kaase* "hand". (TFR) Klinzhai the Klingon homeworld; seat of the government (GN) (TFR) komerex klingon the Klingon Empire (expanding), that which is within the Klingon sphere of influence (TFR) I don't know how *klin* relates to *klingon(i)* in Ford's version of *klingonaase*. -- Voragh tlhIngan nompuq pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons -----Original Message----- From: Lieven L. Litaer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 3:08 AM Am 28.03.2018 um 09:48 schrieb De'vID:
Does "Klin" mean anything in (John M. Ford's version of) Klingonaase?
Bot that I know of. It's part of "Klin Zha" and "Klin Zhai", but no more.
Many endonyms/autonyms (people's names for themselves) mean something like "the people" in their own language. I wonder if {tlhIn} and {tlhIngan} are related (perhaps through {tlhIn-ngan} meaning something like "inhabitants of our own planet").
Remember that the Klingons were first situated on a planet named "Kling", but the producers soon rejected that name, being too silly. We still have the {tlhIng yoS}.
On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
I don't know how *klin* relates to *klingon(i)* in Ford's version of *klingonaase*.
The name of the language itself is deconstructed as “tool for the manipulation of the embodiment of the *klin* principle”. klin - the essence of what it is to be a warrior gon - the physical instantiation of an ideal aase - tool -- ghunchu'wI'
Actually, I was wondering about the syllable /-gon/. I know of: fedegon the Federation (used as adj.); a Federation person (TFR) fedegonaase Federation Standard, the language of the UFP; in the style/manner of the Federation (TFR) klingonaase Klingon (adj), the language or "in the style of", i.e. "they spoke French" or "that gown is very French" The suffix /-aase/ does not quite equate to /-ese/; it has a connotation of worldview, or world- manipulating tool. (TFR) Is /-gon/ an shortened form of /-gonaase/? We also find in THE FINAL REFLECTION: rom zha the Romulan game (i.e. *latrunculo*) (TFR) human zha chess (i.e. the Human game) (TFR) Does /-gon/ refer to a political grouping or organization. Could *{romgon} or *{humangon} be another way of referring to the Romulans or Humans as a group? This may be a different kind of organization than {komerex}: komerex lit. "the structure that grows", generally used to mean (growing or expanding) universe, empire (TFR) komerex romulan the Romulan (Star) Empire (TFR) komerex Romaan the Roman Empire (TFR p. 203) komerex fedegon the Federation (of Planets) (TFR) komerex klingon the Klingon Empire (expanding), that which is within the Klingon sphere of influence (TFR) Oops, there's that /-gon/ again! --Voragh -----Original Message----- From: Alan Anderson On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
I don't know how *klin* relates to *klingon(i)* in Ford's version of *klingonaase*.
The name of the language itself is deconstructed as “tool for the manipulation of the embodiment of the *klin* principle”. klin - the essence of what it is to be a warrior gon - the physical instantiation of an ideal aase - tool -- ghunchu'wI'
Aside: How is the randomisation for KWOTD done? It seems to be disproportionately "newer words", rather than uniformly random.
I noticed that too. It may be a technical error, but on the other hand, TKD+KGT has roughly 2000 words, and after that we got about 1000 new words, so maybe even when doing randomization, every third word is "new".
It pulls words randomly from those that have not been posted this cycle, so it has to show every word before it goes back to the start. We had gone through a big chunk of the wordlist when we received a ton of new words two years in a row. That means that the system will have to go through all the new ones before it will be done. If we keep adding 360+ words a year we might never get back to the base TKD words... ;) qurgh
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:18 AM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
It pulls words randomly from those that have not been posted this cycle, so it has to show every word before it goes back to the start.
We had gone through a big chunk of the wordlist when we received a ton of new words two years in a row. That means that the system will have to go through all the new ones before it will be done.
Is it possible to reset the cycle, so it starts over with the full set of possible words to choose from?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:07 AM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:18 AM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
It pulls words randomly from those that have not been posted this cycle, so it has to show every word before it goes back to the start.
We had gone through a big chunk of the wordlist when we received a ton of new words two years in a row. That means that the system will have to go through all the new ones before it will be done.
Is it possible to reset the cycle, so it starts over with the full set of possible words to choose from?
Yes, but it's a bit of a process so I prefer to only do it when I need to do it. However, there are only 54 words left in this cycle (6 or which are actually TKD words) so I will be resetting everything near the end of next month anyway (unless we get a sudden batch of new words!) qurgh
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