tlhIngan Hol spellings of B'Elanna and Gorkon?
Hi, The Duolingo course uses the names of existing Klingon characters from the series, and it spells their names in Klingon. There were two names which I'm not aware of having appeared in Klingon canon, {beylana} (B'Elanna) and {ghorqon} (Gorkon). I'd have expected *{be'elanna}, based on the prior example of {be'etor}. The KlingonWIki *claims* that {beylana} is used "in email list", but I couldn't locate any uses of it. Has a Klingon spelling of B'Elanna appeared in any canonical or even extended canonical (Star Trek canon but not tlhIngan Hol canon) source? {ghorqon} appears to be spelled that way in Hamlet, so I guess that's at least semi-official. -- De'vID
Am 27.03.2018 um 12:32 schrieb De'vID:
I'd have expected *{be'elanna}, based on the prior example of {be'etor}. The KlingonWIki *claims* that {beylana} is used "in email list", but I couldn't locate any uses of it.
It's from this message, but it does not name the original source of the name, or whether it's canon or not: http://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/1996/February/msg00058.html As it lists lots of non-canon names, I would presume this also to be non-canon, until proven differently. Any reader of the Klingon Wiki page should also read the intrduction which clearly says "They have not been created by Marc Okrand" (I think I'll add a note what this really means, because some poeple do not know who Okrand is). -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Names
On 27 March 2018 at 13:24, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 27.03.2018 um 12:32 schrieb De'vID:
I'd have expected *{be'elanna}, based on the prior example of {be'etor}. The KlingonWIki *claims* that {beylana} is used "in email list", but I couldn't locate any uses of it.
It's from this message, but it does not name the original source of the name, or whether it's canon or not: http://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/1996/February/msg00058.html
Considering that it gives *{beytor} for "B'Etor", I'm inclined to consider this list as evidence *in favour* of *{be'elanna}. *{vItlhIS} for "Vixis"? Surely, that entire list is in some dialect. -- De'vID
De'vID:
The KlingonWIki *claims* that {beylana} is used "in email list"
Am 27.03.2018 um 13:30 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
I don't understand the value of this argument, brought forth by the wiki. Is this list a "laundry machine", so that whatever here gets written, is "laundered" into ca'non ?
No, certainly not. The page even says that anything in that section is NOT canon. It just displays word that have appeared somewhere, just like {nI'ghma}. You can regard it as a "suggestion", but that does not make it canon nor approved nor correct or anything. I'm still curious though to find out where that spelling appeared first. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Names
AFAIK we have no official spelling for B'Elanna, though I generally use *{be'elanna} for the reasons you stated. Ditto for Gorkon though, not knowing it had appeared in Hamlet, I’ve used *{ghorqan} which reflects how it’s pronounced by human actors. --Voragh From: De'vID Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 5:33 AM The Duolingo course uses the names of existing Klingon characters from the series, and it spells their names in Klingon. There were two names which I'm not aware of having appeared in Klingon canon, {beylana} (B'Elanna) and {ghorqon} (Gorkon). I'd have expected *{be'elanna}, based on the prior example of {be'etor}. The KlingonWIki *claims* that {beylana} is used "in email list", but I couldn't locate any uses of it. Has a Klingon spelling of B'Elanna appeared in any canonical or even extended canonical (Star Trek canon but not tlhIngan Hol canon) source? {ghorqon} appears to be spelled that way in Hamlet, so I guess that's at least semi-official. -- De'vID
On 27 March 2018 at 17:45, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
AFAIK we have no official spelling for B'Elanna, though I generally use *{be'elanna} for the reasons you stated. Ditto for Gorkon though, not knowing it had appeared in Hamlet, I’ve used *{ghorqan} which reflects how it’s pronounced by human actors.
I, too, would've written {ghorqan} if not for the Hamlet precedent. Of course, Hamlet only refers to someone named {ghorqon}, which isn't necessarily the same as Star Trek VI's Chancellor. {qeylIS Quch. ghorqon jIb} "Hyperion's curls, the front of Jove himself" Could be any {ghorqon}, really. -- De'vID
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