October 2020 - tlhIngan-Hol

Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Pronunciation of words ending in "ngan"
by Luis Chaparro Caballero 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

> As this question has been addressed several times, there's a paragraph about {ngan} in the Klingon Language Wiki: > http://klingon.wiki/En/Stress Thank you for the hint!

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{yInSIp} and {voQSiP} (oxygen and nitrogen)
by SCOTT 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

I have learned that {yInSIp} is "oxygen" and {voQSIp} is "nitrogen." Naturally, I looked up {SIp} and found that it means "gas." It would seem, then, that these words refer to the elements in their gaseous states. Today, though, Duolingo gave me {voQSIp taD} as "frozen nitrogen." I believe that frozen nitrogen is nitrogen in its solid state. That would make {-SIp} superfluous, and I would expect it to be {voQ taD}. Do elements that have a gaseous state retain {-SIp} regardless of the element's state? Would it always be something like "frozen oxygen gas" and "frozen nitogen gas"? Sent from Qo'noS

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Pronunciation of words ending in "ngan"
by Luis Chaparro Caballero 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

Hi, that's something I was wondering for a long time. In all examples of spoken Klingon I have heard, the stressed syllable in the word *tlhIngan* seems to be the first one: *TLHIngan*. But according to TKD it should actually be the last one, right? For most planets and countries we use the name of the planet or country + *ngan*. Since *ngan* is not a suffix, but a noun, the result should also be stressed on the last syllable (if no syllable ends in *'*). I don't know if we can consider these words compound nouns, but anyway at klingonska.org I've found that "in compound nouns, only the last syllable of the *last stem* is stressed". Is this an exception to the main stress rules or am I missing something here? Or maybe I'm not hearing it properly? By the way: In the section about numbers in TKD we can read: "Higher numbers are formed by adding special number-forming elements to the basic set of numbers (1--9)". I know, a "number-forming element" is probably not the same as a suffix, but that would explain (at least to me) why these "number-forming elements" are usually not stressed. Maybe is *ngan* not only a noun, but also something like these "special forming elements"? Thank you!

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Klingon Word of the Day: SaQ
by Klingon Word of the Day 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, October 05, 2020 Klingon word: SaQ Part of speech: verb Definition: cry Source: TKD (107 KE, 127 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Etymology of {De'wI'}
by SCOTT 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

I am curious about the etymology of {De'wI'} ("computer"). {De'} is a noun meaning "data." {-wI'} is, of course, both a noun suffix ('my") and a verb suffix ("thing which does"). Normally, I would expect a noun to to take a nouns suffix. That would make {De'wI'} "my data," hardly a likely translation of "computer." It seems, rather, that the noun {De'} is taking the verb suffix, making it "thing which... datas (?)." Is that, in fact, what is happening here? If so, are there other known cases of nouns taking verb suffixes, or of verbs taking noun suffixes? {jIwuQchoH} Sent from Qo'noS

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-'e' focus marker neH only difference
by mayqel qunen'oS 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

qen QIn tlhegh pImDaq {-'e'} rIchlu'pu'. pa' jIlaDpu': SuStel: > All the -'e' does is add "(not someone/something else)" > to the meaning of the noun. This is a simple morpheme > indicating grammatical focus De'vam vIlaDpu'DI', jISIvchoHpu'.. cha' mu'tlhegh veb vIqon: Duj'e' yIQaw' destroy the ship Duj neH yIQaw' destroy only the ship chay' pIm cha' mu'tlheghvam ? ~ Qa'yIn

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Klingon Word of the Day: qa'vaQ
by Klingon Word of the Day 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, October 03, 2020 Klingon word: qa'vaQ Part of speech: noun Definition: weapon training using a hoop and stick Source: KGT (224 KE, 243 EK, 254 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: qelHay'ya
by Klingon Word of the Day 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, October 04, 2020 Klingon word: qelHay'ya Part of speech: noun Definition: Kal'Hyah Source: qep'a' 26 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: yay
by Klingon Word of the Day 05 Oct '20

05 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, October 02, 2020 Klingon word: yay Part of speech: noun Definition: victory, triumph Source: TKD (114 KE, 158 EK, 160 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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lir 'oHbe' Depvam'e'
by mayqel qunen'oS 03 Oct '20

03 Oct '20

'op ret mIlloghvam vIleghpu': https://www.flickr.com/photos/rachael_p/50386221648/ 'ej SIbI' muSujpu' mIlloghvam.. lIr 'aghlaw', 'a mIlloghvam pojchoHchugh nuv, SIbI' yajchoH.. lIr 'oHlaHbe' Depvam'e'. Sojchaj lujonmeH lIr, gheDchaj luHIv, puvtaHvIS lIrmey. 'ach jaS vang Depvam. SojDaj SuqmeH, yIt. 'ej tlhay'ba' je. 'a jaSHa' vang tera' qovIjmey ngavyaw'mey je. wanI'vam'e' 'aghbogh mIlloghvam vIpojpu', 'ej tagha' qaSbogh ghu' vIyajpu'. tera' qovIj lujonpu' romuluSngan, 'ej porgh tu'qomDaj luchoHta'. numISmoHmeH, vangpu' romuluSnganpu', 'ej chaq latlh nabmey mIgh turtaH je. vaj maDughnIStaH.. ~ Qa'yIn

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