October 2020 - tlhIngan-Hol

Additional question about SAOs
by Luis Chaparro Caballero 03 Oct '20

03 Oct '20

Hi, I've been thinking about the example SuStel gave to me in order to explain how SAOs should be understood as one singular idea. > You should think of sentence-as-object constructions as if they were single ideas. A Klingon who says *paq Daje'pu' 'e' vISov* isn't saying two separate > things; it's just one idea. Consider the sentence *romuluSngan HoHpu' tlhIngan 'e' vIleghbe'*/I didn't see the Klingon kill the Romulan./ The idea here > isn't that the Klingon killed the Romulan AND that I saw it. We don't know if the Klingon actually killed the Romulan; all we know is that I didn't see > any such act. It's one idea. If we want it to be two different ideas, that is, an assertion about a fact AND an assertion about my perception, then we need something like a conjunction, right? *... 'ach 'e' vIleghbe'*. A sentence like „I saw that he stole the money“ is in the first place a sentence about my perception, not about a fact. It's something I can say if someone thinks I couldn't see this event from my position or I haven't seen it properly, or maybe if I'm describing what I saw in a dream. But if I say: „He stole the money“, I'm giving information about a fact, about something that happened. It's something I can say if someone asks: „Who stole the money?“. And if we want to convince the other person or we try to prove why our assertion is true, we could say something like: „He has stolen the money, I saw it!“, that is, nobody told me, I haven't read it in the newspaper, I saw it with my own eyes. (Well, I hope my English is at this point right, in Spanish and German something like this is possible). But if we say in Klingon: *Huch nIHpu'. 'e' vIlegh.* since punctuation or a pause when we're speaking makes no difference, the meaning of this sentence is always: „I saw that he stole the money“. So, how can we translate a sentence like „He stole the money. I saw it!“? (I mean, as an assertion about a fact + an assertion about my perception). If a pause between the sentences doesn't help, do we need a noun?: *Huch nIHpu'. wanI'vam vIleghpu'* Or am I seeing a problem where there is no one? Thank you!

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using "right" (side) and "left" (side) with possessive suffixes on their own
by mayqel qunen'oS 02 Oct '20

02 Oct '20

Ca'Non mu'tlheghvam yIlaD: poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI' The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. S9 'ej tera' poH DaSjaj, jar wa'maH, jaj wa'maH loSDIch, DIS cha'-pagh-wa'-Hut (14 October 2019) lInpu' voragh: (Qov, reporting on qep'a' 2015, 8/05/2015): I asked [Okrand] about how we would describe someone’s right hand. I said I would say {nIHwIj ghop} "the hand of my right side" and he said "I would do that too," making a dissatisfied face about the alternative {nIH ghopwIj} "my hand of the right side". I asked "or are {nIH} and {poS} like {tlhop} and {‘em}, taking the pronoun rather than the possessive suffix?" but he felt that {nIHwIj} was correct. DaH jIghel.. jIjatlh vIneH "one of you will stand on my left, and one of you will stand on my right"; cha' DuH tu'lu': DuH wa': poSwIjDaq QamnIS wa', 'ej nIHwIjDaq QamnIS latlh one needs to stand on my left, and the other needs to stand on my right DuH cha': poSwIj DaqDaq QamnIS wa', 'ej poSwIj DaqDaq QamnIS latlh one needs to stand at the location of my left, and the other needs to stand at the location of my right nuq 'oH DuH lugh'e'? lugh DuH wa' 'e' vI'ir, S9 Ca'Non mu'tlhegh vIqeltaHvIS, 'ach lugh DuH cha' 'e' vI'Ir, 08/05/2015 De' vIqeltaHvIS.. ~ Qa'yIn

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does -jaj have the "may your request be granted" meaning ?
by mayqel qunen'oS 01 Oct '20

01 Oct '20

SoS tu'lu', 'ej bIghHa'Daq ghaHtaH puqloDDaj'e'. puqloDDaj jonHa'meH voDleH, voDleH qoy'choH SoS, 'ej tagha' Qochbe' voDleH, vaj jatlh: "may your request be granted". mu'tlheghvam wImughmeH, maqon: {qaSjaj chaballIj}. lugh'a' {-jaj} lo'vam ? ~ Qa'yIn

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Klingon Word of the Day: Sab
by Klingon Word of the Day 01 Oct '20

01 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, October 01, 2020 Klingon word: Sab Part of speech: verb Definition: decline, deteriorate Source: TKD (106 KE, 127 EK, 128 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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