September 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

Bane speech
by mayqel qunenoS 14 Sep '17

14 Sep '17

wa’ ‘ay’ le’ ghaj batman the dark knight rises. qaStaHvIS ‘ay’vam le’, black gate bIghHa’ tlhopDaq, QI’ puH Duj lIt bane ‘ej luQoytaHvIS De’ chu’ ghItlhwI’pu', jatlh: tlhIH ‘emDaq HI’’a Degh tu’lu.. blackgate bIghHa’; pa’, bechqu’ wa’ SaD loD, wa’ loDmo’: harvey dent. botojlu’meH, loDvamvaD ruv Degh bochqu’ rurmoHlu’. ‘ej, vengvam qal boQaw’ ‘e’ botlu’meH, tlhIHvaD Ho’ HoQ chenmoHlu’ta’. tlhIHvaD, harvey dent bopbogh vIt’e’ vIDelmeH, gotham police commissioner james gordon mu’ vImagh: harvey dent HoHbe’ batman; harvey dentvo’ puqloDwI’ toD. ghIq, harvey dent HeS pIch laj. Ho’ HoQ vIchenmoHlaHmeH pIchDaj lajta’ batman. puqloDwI’ HoH, ‘e’ nIDbogh loD maw’ vInaDta'.. ‘ach jIneptaH, DaH ‘e’ vImev, 'ej DaH gotham roghvaHvaD vIt vIchID ‘ej jIpaj. ‘ej james gordon mu’mey jatlhDI’ bane, taH: vaj, james gordon mu’mey bolajqang'a' ? pajlaH Hoch nepwI’pu’ ‘e’ bolajqang’a’ ? pajlaH Hoch qalwI’’pu’ ‘e’ bolajqang’a’ ? DaH, qalwI’pu’vo’ gotham wItlhap. mIpwI’pu’vo’.. puq poHmey HI’’apu'vo’.. ‘eb wIchmey chenmoHtaHvIS, tlhIHvaD toy’wI’’a’pu' mojmoH. 'a, DaH tlhIHvaD gotham wItatlh. tlhIH.. nuvpu’ motlh.. gotham ghajlaH tlhIH’e’ neH. mun pagh’e’. Hoch boqaSmoHlaH. ‘a, tagha’Ha’ blackgate yIQaw’ ‘ej HI’’a’pu' bechwI’pu’ tItlhabmoH ! ‘ej blackgate luyottaHvIS, gothamnganvaD jatlh bane: Sutoy’qangchugh vaj naDev yIghoS, mangghom chenmoHlu’mo’; juHmeychaj qalvo' HoSghajwI’ luwItlhlu’, ‘ej qo’ bIrDaq, qo’'e' wISovbogh, qo’'e' wISIQbogh, qo’vamDaq lulonlu’. bo’DIj lurItlu’, noH tevmey lutIvqu’lu’. ghIt ‘Iw.. ruvna’ chIwmo’ police, taHlaH policevam. vengvam Dun.. SIQ ! qunnoq

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Klingon Word of the Day: paQ
by Klingon Word of the Day 14 Sep '17

14 Sep '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, September 14, 2017 Klingon word: paQ Part of speech: verb Definition: meditate, cogitate, reflect Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Spoils of war
by mayqel qunenoS 14 Sep '17

14 Sep '17

SuStel: *> veS tev* This is beautiful indeed. qunnoq On Sep 14, 2017 6:00 PM, "SuStel" <sustel(a)trimboli.name> wrote: On 9/14/2017 10:35 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: It is ridiculous, and that's an understatement, that the mighty "warrior's language", doesn't have a word for "spoils". *veS tev* -- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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mu'meyDaj Qav
by mayqel qunenoS 14 Sep '17

14 Sep '17

wa' 'ay' le' ghaj decepticons return of the fallen. wa' decepticon HoH autobot, 'ej HoHqu'pa', autobot legh decepticon 'ej ngugh jatlh: qo'raj 'oHbe' qo'vam'e'; not boche' ! tugh Qamqa' pumwI'. qoy'Qo' decepticon, 'ej autobot tlhopDaq torQo'. decepticonvam vIvan. qunnoq

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] tarDIghaD
by mayqel qunenoS 13 Sep '17

13 Sep '17

So we have the following passage: qaStaHvIS poHvam, chImchu'bogh loghDaq taHlaHtaH tarDIghaD, tera' Ha'DIbaHHom pujHa’qu’. pa' chaw' ngoqvam baghHa’meH ’oH, De'wI' motlh lo'laH. 'ach Do' 'e' ta' neHbe' 'oH. "Tardigrade — the hardiest animal on the planet can exist in vacuum that long! It could crack your password while being there with a generic computer, and it's my luck it doesn't want to." And with regards to this passage.. > tera' Ha'DIbaHHom pujHa’qu’ I don't see a reason of using {pujHa'qu'}. The very meaning of {pujHa'qu'} is somewhat confusing. The words {HoS}/{HoSghaj} would definitely be superior choices. > pa' chaw' ngoqvam baghHa’meH ’oH The {'oH} is useless > ach Do' 'e' ta' neHbe' 'oH Another useless 'oH. Who wrote this ? qunnoq On Sep 13, 2017 1:54 PM, "Felix Malmenbeck" <felixm(a)kth.se> wrote: Kaspersky chaw' ngoq chovwI' <https://password.kaspersky.com/klingon/>vaD mu'vam lo'lu': qaStaHvIS poHvam, chImchu'bogh loghDaq taHlaHtaH tarDIghaD, tera' Ha'DIbaHHom pujHa’qu’. pa' chaw' ngoqvam baghHa’meH ’oH, De'wI' motlh lo'laH. 'ach Do' 'e' ta' neHbe' 'oH. "Tardigrade — the hardiest animal on the planet can exist in vacuum that long! It could crack your password while being there with a generic computer, and it's my luck it doesn't want to." //loghaD ------------------------------ *From:* tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces(a)lists.kli.org> on behalf of mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:42 *To:* tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org *Subject:* Re: [tlhIngan Hol] tarDIghaD wa' SaD mu' DIghajnISbogh tu'lu', 'a tardigrade Dellu'meH mu' tu'lu'.. ghu'vam Dellu' neHlu'chugh, vaj wa' mu' neH jatlhlu'nIS: wejpuH. qunnoq On Sep 13, 2017 1:15 PM, "Lieven" <levinius(a)gmx.de> wrote: > mu'tay'wIj vIqeqtaHvIS, loQ jISIvchoH. qatlh tarDIghaD DelmeH pong wIghaj? > mu'vam jInta' 'Iv? > > -- > Lieven L. Litaer > aka Quvar valer 'utlh > Grammarian of the KLI > http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher > http://www.klingonwiki.net > _______________________________________________ > tlhIngan-Hol mailing list > tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org > http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org > _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] vengDaq, vengmeyDaq je
by mayqel qunenoS 13 Sep '17

13 Sep '17

And since we are on the subject.. It was a crucial point in my journey in this language, when I realized that: Even if it is possible to translate something word-by word into klingon, then this doesn't necessarily guarantee that the klingon will sound the same way as the original. So, the intent shouldn't be to convey the words of the original in klingon; it should rather be to convey the context, and most importantly the feeling. The classic example is king Leonidas "molon lave" to the persians. In ancient Greek it is sub-zero cool. I would pay real money, to see the look on the persian's face when he heard it. In english "come and get them", it sounds defiant, but not so much as the original. In klingon {naDev yIghoS 'ej tISuq} its mediocre. And in modern Greek it sounds so ridiculous, that each time someone said it, Leonidas would be rolling in his grave. It's not whether klingon has all the words to provide for word-by word translations; it is humanly impossible for someone to recreate in a constructed language, the entire vocabulary of a real language. It is rather using the existing tools to convey the intented meaning and most of all the intented feeling. qunnoq On Sep 6, 2017 11:49, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: The problem with {ngIq} is that its use hasn't been completely clarified. If I was to translate the original sentence, then perhaps I would write: Daw'choH wa' veng; ngugh Daw'choH je Hoch latlh veng. One city begun to revolt; then each additional city begun to revolt too. or Daw'choH wa' veng; ngugh wa'DIch Da Hoch latlh veng. One city begun to revolt; then each additional city behaved as the first. or Daw'choH wa' veng; ngugh veng wa'DIch Da Hoch latlh veng. One city begun to revolt; then each additional city behaved as the first city. or Daw'choH wa' veng; ngugh Daw'choH je wa' latlh veng. 'ej ngugh latlh veng, 'ej ngugh latlh.. tagha' Daw' Hoch vengmey. One city begun to revolt; then one other city revolted too. And then another city, and then another.. Finally all cities revolted. Of the above, my favourite way to describe the original intented sentence, is the last. qunnoq On Sep 6, 2017 08:53, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sep 6, 2017 10:19, "Anthony Appleyard" <a.appleyard(a)btinternet.com> > wrote: > > An expression meaning "in succession" seems to be needed. > > > qatlh yapbe' {ngIq}? > > -- > De'vID > > _______________________________________________ > tlhIngan-Hol mailing list > tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org > http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org > >

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Klingon Word of the Day: rel
by Klingon Word of the Day 13 Sep '17

13 Sep '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, September 13, 2017 Klingon word: rel Part of speech: verb Definition: be dazed Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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tarDIghaD
by Lieven 13 Sep '17

13 Sep '17

mu'tay'wIj vIqeqtaHvIS, loQ jISIvchoH. qatlh tarDIghaD DelmeH pong wIghaj? mu'vam jInta' 'Iv? -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net

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qIgh QIp
by mayqel qunenoS 13 Sep '17

13 Sep '17

roD, 'elaDya'Daq reality shows 'agh HaSta jIH. not, chIch muchmeyvam vIbej, 'a bejmo' be'wI', pIj, chIchHa', vIQoy. 'ej reH, muchmeyvam jeSwI'pu' vIQoyDI', jISIvchoH.. chay' Qub nuvvam ? qaStaHvIS much ram, pa' jeSmo', pay' Qapla' luSuqlaH ? 'ej naDev, Sepmey tIng 'ev nugh qay'wI' tu'lu'; naDev, ropchaj tu'lu' je. qay'wI'vam ropvam je chIwchu' muchmeyvam. Hoch Dochmey je'laH neHbogh nuv.. noychoH neHbogh nuv.. baj 'a neHbe'bogh nuv. qatlh, qaStaHvIS DIS law' HaDnISlu' ? qatlh, Qoyje' Suqlu'meH qaStaHvIS DIS law' vumnISlu' ? muchDaq jeS, 'ej SIbI' Hoch Suq. pay', ghaHDaq nargh Huch ngay' je. 'a Do', 'op Doch je'laHbe' vay'; yab val, qa' HoSghaj, Sun.. reH, 'op nuvvaD novchu' Dochmeyvam. 'ej meqvammo', reH lujchu'wI' chaH 'op nuv'e'. qaStaHvIS pa'logh lujchu'wI' chaH, DaH lujchu'wI' chaH, 'ej qaStaHvIS tuch Hoch lujchu'wI' chaH. qunnoq

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jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'
by mayqel qunenoS 12 Sep '17

12 Sep '17

{jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'} I'm lost. (TKD Useful Expressions) I can't understand the grammar of this sentence; wouldn't it be more logical for it to be {naDev jIHtaHbogh vISovbe'} for "I don't know the here (i.e. my location) where I am" ? qunnoq

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