December 2016 - tlhIngan-Hol

A cat and a fireplace
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Dec '16

03 Dec '16

ah.. qImroq bIr jajmey.. qaStaHvIS jajmeyvam, mataHmeH Doch puS neH DIghajnIS: qul Daq, qa'vIj tuj, vIghro' ghun.. Dochvam DIghajchugh vaj maHvaD qay'wI' tu'be'lu'. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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meqmeyvammo' numuStaH
by mayqel qunenoS 03 Dec '16

03 Dec '16

qen, much vIbejtaHvIS pa' jatlhlu': tera'vamDaq yItchoHDI' Qunpu', bechchoH Humanpu'. mu'meyvam vIQoyDI', SIbI' wa' ngoD potlh vItlhoj; lughlu'bej. chaq chalvo' paw Qunpu'vam, chaq be'vo' bogh Qunqoqvam.. 'ach teH wa' Doch neH; numuStaH. numuSqu'taH. peghel'egh.. peghel'egh DaH 'e' vIpoQ. nuSeHmeH Qunpu'vam qatlh reH nID chaH. meq le'mo' qaStaH wanI'vam. 'oHvaD meq tu'lu' net poQ. qar'a'. 'ach, nuq 'oH meqvam'e'. Datu'meH tlhab yabraj net 'utmoH. 'ach toy'wI''a'pu' lImojmoHchugh Qunpu'qoqvam, not vIt DatlhojlaH.. meq law'mo', numuStaH HI''a'pu'vam, Qunpu'qoqvam.. mamuSHa'laHmo', manga'chuqlaHmo', manonglaHmo' numuStaH. ngajmo' yInmaj potlh yInvam, 'ej jubbe'wI' maHmo' meHghem wIchenmoHlaH. jubbe'wI' maHmo' nenchoHlaH qa'maj, 'ej jubbe'wI' maHmo' potlh Hoch tup Hoch lup'e'. pagh Qunpu' DIlob net 'utmoH; pagh HI'pu', pagh HI''a'pu'. maHvaD Qun 'oH qa'ma''e' neH.. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Klingon Word of the Day: vev
by qurgh＠wizage.net 03 Dec '16

03 Dec '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, December 03, 2016 Klingon word: vev Part of speech: verb Definition: pin, attach or fasten with a pin Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Isn't here a {'e'} missing ?
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

tup law'qu' ret, much vIbejrup 'a pay' qaS lot ! I realized a disturbing fact with regards to this canon sentence.. yIlaD! : Qo'noS romuluS je boSuqlaH. vabDot tera' Qejbogh DIvI' ram boSuqlaH. kronos, romulus and even the puny federation's precious earth, are all up for grabs. DaH jIghel: based on the translation, shouldn't there be a {'e'} shoved up the end of {tera'} ? hmm ? shouldn't it ? HIja' vay' ! jISovnIS ! ..and as if things weren't complicated enough, another catastrophe occured ! while writing the {HIja' vay'} for "someone tell me", I accidentally wrote {yIja'lu'}; however, as soon as I corrected it I was left to wonder.. what would that mean ? would that mean "someone (unspecified singular) tell him !" ? qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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HIjang! (Tao Te Ching question)
by Brian Cote 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

<Hello.> wen puS tlhIngan Hol vIHaDchoH. DaH "paq'batlh" vIlaDlI' ('ach pIj mu'ghomwIj vIlo'nIS 'e' vIchID vIneHbej). "pIn'a' qan paQDI'norgh" vIlaD 'e' vInabta', 'ach paqvam vIje'meH vISamlaHbe'. 'ej vaj DaH Saghel ... 1) qep'a'Daq 'oH vIje'laH 'e' DuH'a'? 2) 'oH lIngqa'lu''a'? pagh 3) DuHbe' (1), (2) je. Satlho'. tlhoS jIlIj. QImSIr 'oH pongwIj'e'.

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Adverbs with {-qu'}
by PICHLMANN Christoph 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

A slighty off-topic question, but it's something I've considered recently and it fits in here: We have been told (in TKD, I think? Was it reinforced later, or taken away?) that klingons only use three classes of words: *) nouns *) verbs *) everything else (the "leftovers") Is this still correct? I'm asking because an "adverb" is something I'd like to put in with "verbs", but that is because of the name. Would klingons see an adverb as a form of verb, or as <<chuvmey>> that simply "looks and acts" as a verb, but doesn't follow all the rules. Because if an adverb is considered a verb, shouldn't all verb-affixes be allowed? But if it's a <<chuvmey>>, then it would make more sense to say that as a rule they don't have any affixes, but for this or that word it is known that it may take this or that suffix. They'd simply be special cases, as any language has. (Also, it would keep things simple, IMO.) Unfortunately, both Klingonska and <<boQwI'>> only say "adverb" :-( Christoph >Message: 24 >Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 13:08:19 -0500 >From: SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> >To: tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org >Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Adverbs with {-qu'} >Message-ID: <f6e12bb6-54c0-86de-5172-97fde21f3215(a)trimboli.name> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > >On 11/30/2016 12:28 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: >> >> SuStel: >> > Okrand had recently added >> >*-Ha'* to an adverbial for the first time >> >> So, do we consider this to be for us a license to place {-Ha'}, to >> whichever adverbs we wish ? >> > >His general message has been, yes, adverbials can generally use *-Ha',* >but there's no absolute guarantee that all of them can do it. > > >> And where do we draw the line ? Why stop at the {-Ha'}, and not >> continue to other rovers as well ? >> > >Because Okrand has specifically about and used only *-Ha'.* No other >suffix has been used or even hinted at. > > >> If someone writes something which 'oqranD never wrote, we say "don't >> do it, it has no precedent". but if there is a precedent, why not act >> upon it ? >> > >Precedent and suggestion exists for *-Ha';* it does not exist for any >other suffix. > >-- >SuStel >http://trimboli.name

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The Sith and the apprentice
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

SaD law' ben, lengtaHvIS *Sith* joH, loD 'IQ legh.. meq le' ghajmo', loDvetlh ghel sith: qatlh bI'IQ. jImobchu'mo', jang loD. 'a, Qun laHmey ghaj *Sith*, 'ej leSSov 'oH wa' laH'e'; vaj tuch Sovmo', tagha' latlh *Sith* joH moj 'IQwI'vetlh. 'e' Sov. Dop HurghvaD pIlmoHmeH, jatlh: bImobchugh yI'IQ'eghmoHQo'. mobchoHlu'DI', tamchoH Hoch 'ej ngugh - qaStaHvIS ghu'vetlh neH - HoS Hurgh 'IjchoHlu'. HItlha' 'ej SoHvaD latlh He vIghojmoH. qaStaHvIS poH ngaj, QubtaH loD 'IQ, 'ej ghIq *Sith* joH HItlha'choH.. qunnoH jan puqloD

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Klingon Word of the Day: nargh
by qurgh＠wizage.net 02 Dec '16

02 Dec '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, December 02, 2016 Klingon word: nargh Part of speech: verb Definition: appear, escape Source: TKD-A (183 KE, 187 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Each
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

and if I wrote: {jIyIttaHvIS wa' ngIq vIghro' vIlegh} ? qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 1 Dec 2016 8:33 pm, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh(a)wizage.net> wrote: On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 1:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I remember some time ago we had discussed this at another thread, and > again no significant conclusions were made. > > the only thing I'm able to understand from these canon examples, is > perhaps that context distinguishes between the meaning of "a single one" > and "each one". > > If I write: {jIyIttaHvIS, ngIq vIghro' vIlegh}, then obviously this must > mean "while I was walking I saw a single cat". I don't think one could > translate this as "while I was walking I saw one by one cat". what the hell > is this supposed to mean ? it would make no sense. > I can translate this as "While I am walking, I see cats one at a time". So I saw a single cat, and then another single cat, then another... etc. qurgh _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Practicing simple QAO's
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

are these correct/acceptable ? romuluSngan HoH 'Iv DaneH who do you want to kill the romulan ? 'Iv HoH romuluSngan DaneH who do you want the romulan to kill ? romuluSngan HoH 'Iv 'e' Dalegh who did you see that he killed the romulan ? 'Iv HoH romuluSngan 'e' Dalegh who did you see to be killed by the romulan ? nIn 'ar wIghaj DaneH how much fuel do you want us to have ? nIn 'ar wIghaj 'e' Dalegh how much fuel did you see that we have ? tagha'.. Qong qunnoH. DaH 'e' vIchaw'.. qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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