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new words: stations and commands
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello, Here comes some more clarifications for the words used in Klingon subtitles on Netflix: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 15. ---- LLL: The "Klingon High Command" is called {ra'ghomquv}, and their "Operations Command" is called {yo'SeH yaHnIv}. What would be the Starfleet versions of these? MO: For "Starfleet Command," another alternative is {'ejyo' ra'ghomquv}, using {ra'ghomquv}, the word for "High Command." If Starfleet Command is of a lower level of importance than Starfleet High Command, leave off the {quv}, getting {ra'ghom}. But if Starfleet Command is the highest level (but, unlike the Klingons, just doesn't use the word "High" in its name), keep the {quv}. If "Starfleet Command" is more like "Starfleet Operations Command", then go with {'ejyo'SeH yaHnIv}. ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 20. ---- MO: {jonta' pa'} for "engineering" is fine for referring to the room where the engine is (or engines are). If "engineering" (as in "Scotty, go down to engineering and see what's happening there") means the place where the engines are controlled, that might be {jonSeH yaH}. {jonSeH} means something like "engine control" or "engine controlling." If the engines and the engine-control place are the same, {jonta' pa'} will work. LLL: I'm not sure if the engines are in the "engineering room", but on the other hand, the {jonSeH yaH} could be located on the bridge as well, right? MO: For "engineering," you're right. The {jonSeH yaH} could be on the bridge or else somewhere else (in the room where the engines are or close to that). ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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At the qepHom ask about the vonlu'
by mayqel qunenoS 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Another thing which perhaps needs clarification is the vonlu'. A little bird told me, that at the kgt it is written {bIvonlu'pu'} instead of {Davonlu'pu'}. So, this raises the question, whether the {-lu'} shoved up the {von} of {vonlu'} is the indefinite subject suffix which we all know and love, or whether it is just a {lu'} which happened to cross the street while this word was being created. So, could someone write {vonlu'lu'} for "someone has failed utterly " ? And if it is indeed the indefinite subject suffix {-lu'}, then for "someone again failed utterly", do we write {vonqa'lu'} or {vonlu'qa'} ? Because if we write {vonqa'lu'} how would someone be able to differentiate from the {vonqa'lu'} which would mean "someone trapped him/them again" ? I'm tired of having to "throw the cards" (greek expression meaning "trying to guess"), in order to clarify grammar which should have been already clarified at numerous qep'a'mey and qepHommey so far (as is the case with {ngIq}, the verb prefix after a {joq}, etc etc etc..). After all I've have come to terms, that probably there will never be any answers. vaj chaq vIghelqanglu': qatlh QInvam DaghItlh ? 'ej ghIq bIjang: DaH, naDev Dalmo', 'ej Dochmey qaq vIqaSmoHlaHbogh vIghajbe'.. ~ nIghma'

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Klingon Word of the Day: yut
by Klingon Word of the Day 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, November 18, 2017 Klingon word: yut Part of speech: verb Definition: distract, create a diversion Source: November 2016 email to Lieven This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: yeru'Sala'yIm
by Klingon Word of the Day 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, November 20, 2017 Klingon word: yeru'Sala'yIm Part of speech: noun Definition: Jerusalem Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Okrand about typing the apostrophe
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

In addition to our recent discussion about how to display the apostrophe, Okrand's opinion is that he does not care: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 22. ---- I use whichever apostrophe pops up in the word processor or email system or whatever that I happen to be using. For the books, the publisher decided what apostrophe to use (along with deciding on the font). My email automatically uses the straight apostrophe ('), so if I'm writing an email, that's the one that shows up. My word processor can use either one. By default, it uses the fancy one (’), so that's the one that usually shows up if I'm typing there. When I do that, I'm careful to not use its counterpart (the open single quote – ‘). I actually like the fancy one better, for typographical (not grammatical or linguistic) reasons, but it really doesn't make any difference which one is used. When I send an email that consists partly of something I type in the email system and partly of something I've cut and pasted from a Word document or the like, it may be the case that sometimes there's one apostrophe and other times there's another in the same email. But I try to avoid that. Either ’ or ' is fine with me for the apostrophe. It's ugly – but not outright wrong – to use both in the same document; pick one or the other. But ‘ as an apostrophe is always wrong (in Klingon and in English!). ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apostrophe

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extended usage of peD
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hi, this usage appeared during breakfast, and Okrand later told me about it: When you cut your bread and the crumbs fall out (like snow), you use the verb {peD}. It can also be used for instance, when you throw confetti, and the confetti falls down, then use {peD}. So, with other words, {peD} still means "to snow", but it does not only refer to snow, but can also be used for other small things "falling down slowly" or "rain down", like ashes. During explaining, it seemed like the bread is the subject of {peD}, but also the breadcrumbs themselves. I don't know of a general word other than "snow". Maybe "rain down", but that's confusing, because rain still is {SIS}. Okrand did not give the english word for it, he just explained it. ---- This tidbit from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de later: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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new words: Gormagander + lose
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello, Here comes some more clarifications for the words used in the Klingon subtitles of DSC on Netflix: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 15. ---- FYI: "Gormaganders are a non-atmospheric organism capable of living in the vacuum of space. Not technically a fish, but described as essentially a "space whale", as of 2256, they were on the Endangered Species List." (Memory Alpha) ---- Maltz had not heard about this animal and did not know about a native Klingon name. He was guessing that the word "gormagander" is a Federation Standard word. Maybe it's taken into English from some other language, but as long as that language is not Klingon, we (Klingon speakers) don't care. Regardless of its origin, it's now an English word. He just called it {ghormaghenDer}. The Klingons learned the name of this thing the same way the Federation did – from someone else. But it's still possible that there are other ways to name this animal that we do not know of. ---- {chIl} means "lose" in the sense of "misplace, be unable to find, lose track of." It can be used for misplacing your keys, but also for things like losing the signal of something you've been tracking. "Lose" in the sense of "no longer have (presumably permanently)", as in "we've lost a lot of soldiers" is a different word: {weS}. This verb means "lose" in the sense of "undergo a reduction of" or "suffer a reduction of", as in "he lost a lot of blood". To say "lose" as in "She lost the baby" or "She lost her husband" just say {Heghpu' ghu} or {Heghpu' loDnalDaj}. Similarly, for "we have lost a lot of warriors," say {Heghpu' SuvwI'pu'ma' law'}. {SuvwI'pu' DIweSpu'} is fine, but it implies that the warriors are gone or missing or are severely injured and not expected to return (or to return anytime soon), but they may or may not be dead. ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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new words: bait + curious
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello, Here comes some more clarifications for the words used in Klingon subtitles: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 14. ---- I think you can use either {tlhu'moH} "tempt" or {ngel} "attract, lure". In either case, I suspect you'd use the {-meH} suffix. It would be something like "…use a spaceship in order to lure/attract/tempt them." {ngelwI'} would be an "attracter" or a "lurer," so that could be the noun "bait" in this context. ---- Someone asked for a verb/adjective "be curious" ---- For this one Maltz would stick with known vocabulary: {ghoj neHqu'} "he/she very much wants to learn" ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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new words: rIS
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Correction: rIS is printed on page 13. Hello, Here comes some more clarifications for the words used in Klingon subtitles: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 13. ---- MO: For "signal," I suggest the verb {rIS}. This means "make a cracking or snapping sound" but can also be used to mean "emit a signal." Maybe Klingons used to use Geiger counters a lot. LLL: How is this different to tlhuD "emit radiation"? MO: {rIS }originally referred to emitting sound only. Later the meaning was extended to mean emitting any sort of signal – sound, radiation, smell, etc. {tlhuD} refers to radiation only. LLL: So a {rISwI'} would be some sending device, right? MO: It could mean this, yes. LLL: How would I say that I receive or detect a signal? What about {rISHa'}? Is it the opposite of "sending"? MO: {rISHa'} would refer to sending a signal improperly, like maybe to the wrong person. It wouldn't mean "receive or detect a signal." ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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new words: rIS
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello, Here comes some more clarifications for the words used in Klingon subtitles: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 23. ---- MO: For "signal," I suggest the verb {rIS}. This means "make a cracking or snapping sound" but can also be used to mean "emit a signal." Maybe Klingons used to use Geiger counters a lot. LLL: How is this different to tlhuD "emit radiation"? MO: {rIS }originally referred to emitting sound only. Later the meaning was extended to mean emitting any sort of signal – sound, radiation, smell, etc. {tlhuD} refers to radiation only. LLL: So a {rISwI'} would be some sending device, right? MO: It could mean this, yes. LLL: How would I say that I receive or detect a signal? What about {rISHa'}? Is it the opposite of "sending"? MO: {rISHa'} would refer to sending a signal improperly, like maybe to the wrong person. It wouldn't mean "receive or detect a signal." ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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