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je and 'ar
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Dec '17

02 Dec '17

We want to ask "how many romulans and ferengi do you see ?" We have two choices. {romuluSngan 'ar verengan 'ar je Dalegh ?} and {romuluSngan verengan je 'ar Dalegh ?} Which of the above is correct ? ~ nI'ghma

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placement of the chay'
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '17

01 Dec '17

We want to say "in order to succeed, how are you willing to act ?". What do we write ? {bIQapmeH chay' bIvangqang ?} or {chay' bIQapmeH bIvangqang ?} ~ nI'ghma

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neH in a sao after the {'e'}
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '17

01 Dec '17

Could we place the {neH} after the {'e'} of a sao ? Could we write: {jaghpu'ma'vo' manargh; 'e' neH DajIn} we escape our enemies; you only wish that ~ nI'ghma

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Klingon Word of the Day: qach noy
by Klingon Word of the Day 01 Dec '17

01 Dec '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, December 01, 2017 Klingon word: qach noy Part of speech: noun Definition: landmark (building) Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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qaStaHvIS in a sao
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '17

01 Dec '17

If we want to say "while too many years are happening, we believed that the romulans are enemies", then do we write: {jaghpu' chaH romuluSnganpu''e'; qaStaHvIS DIS 'Iq 'e' wIHar} or {jaghpu' chaH romuluSnganpu''e'; 'e' wIHar qaStaHvIS DIS 'Iq} Can the {qaStaHvIS DIS 'Iq} in the example above, precede the {'e'} of the sao ? ~ nI'ghma

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Hoch in noun-noun constructions
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Dec '17

01 Dec '17

If we want to say "each drum of metal" what do write ? {Hoch baS 'In} or {baS Hoch 'In} ? If we want to say "each group of sentences" what do write ? {Hoch mu'tlheghmey ghom} or {mu'tlheghmey Hoch ghom} ? ~ nI'ghma

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{net Sov} vs {'e' Sovlu'}
by Aurélie Demonchaux 30 Nov '17

30 Nov '17

Today I am trying to grasp the difference between {net + verb} and {'e' + verb-lu'} The way I understand it is, for example with "Sov" net Sov = it is common knowledge that 'e' Sovlu' = someone (indefinite) knows that Thus: qama'pu' DIHoHbe' net Sov = It is common knowledge that we don't kill prisoners qama'pu' DIHoHbe' 'e' Sovlu' = It is known / someone knows that we don't kill prisoners Similarly with chaw' : qama'pu' DIHoH net chaw'be' = we are not allowed to kill prisoners qama'pu' DIHoH 'e' chaw'lu'be' = someone does not allow us to kill prisoners Am I getting it right ? Thanks in advance! Aurélie ghItlhjaj

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {net Sov} vs {'e' Sovlu'}
by mayqel qunenoS 30 Nov '17

30 Nov '17

{'e' -lu'} is not a permissible construction, unless the {-lu'} is on the verb {'aq}. Always, as soon as you find yourself wanting to say {yadda yadda 'e' *whatever*lu'} you should instead write {yadda yadda net whatever} ~ nI'ghma On Nov 30, 2017 9:12 PM, "Aurélie Demonchaux" <demonchaux.aurelie(a)gmail.com> wrote: Today I am trying to grasp the difference between {net + verb} and {'e' + verb-lu'} The way I understand it is, for example with "Sov" net Sov = it is common knowledge that 'e' Sovlu' = someone (indefinite) knows that Thus: qama'pu' DIHoHbe' net Sov = It is common knowledge that we don't kill prisoners qama'pu' DIHoHbe' 'e' Sovlu' = It is known / someone knows that we don't kill prisoners Similarly with chaw' : qama'pu' DIHoH net chaw'be' = we are not allowed to kill prisoners qama'pu' DIHoH 'e' chaw'lu'be' = someone does not allow us to kill prisoners Am I getting it right ? Thanks in advance! Aurélie ghItlhjaj _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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easterlings tIvan
by mayqel qunenoS 30 Nov '17

30 Nov '17

wa' mIllogh le' 'agh lord of the rings cha'; sauronvaD SuvmeH easterlings, lojmIt'a' qIj luvegh. ghIq mordor lu'el. mIlloghvam vIbejDI', jItIw. reH, muDuQ wanI'vam lururbogh wanI''e'. QaQwI'pu'qoqvaD SuvQo' easterlings, 'ej latlh joH'a' lutu'; gandalf veQpu'Daj je lajQo', 'ej Suvchu'. reH, latlh joH'e' tlha'laHbogh vay' tu'lu'. 'ej maHvaD ngoDvam luqawmoH easterlings. ~ nI'ghma

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time words and deixis
by Ed Bailey 30 Nov '17

30 Nov '17

Age is normally expressed as in the example {loSmaH ben jIboghpu'}, "I was born 40 years ago." http://klingonska.org/canon/search/?file=1996-12-12a-news.txt&q=age The English word "ago" tends to be always relative to the present. {ben} is glossed as "years ago" but is it necessarily relative to the present, or is it relative to the event being talked about? Say we want to use age to express when something happens, as in {qaSpu' wanI'vam loSmaH ben jIboghpu'DI'}. Does it say "This event happened when I was 40 years old (when I had been born 40 years previously)" or "This event happened when I was born forty years ago." Switching the dependency of the clauses, {qaSpu'DI' wanI'vam loSmaH ben jIboghpu'}, seems to have the desired effect on {ben}: "When this event happened, I had been born 40 years ago (that is, I was 40)." But I can still conceive that it could be understood as "I was born 40 years ago when this event happened." Reversing the order of the clauses shouldn't have any effect in Klingon, but I would tend to interpret {loSmaH ben jIboghpu' qaSpu'DI' wanI'vam} as "I was born 40 years ago, when this event happened" instead of "I had been born 40 years previously when this event happened." Are there relevant canon examples? ~mIp'av <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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