Do we have an official way to describe an object with two {-bogh} verbs? If we want to use more than one verb that is not a "be" verb (or a more than two "be" verbs) how do we do that? We have {yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'}, but it doesn't seem good to me and I write it off as poetic licence. Even if we consider {je} to be acting adverbally here, I still have trouble with the object of {yoH} being in the following sentence. Has Dr. Okrand told us that this is the way to make two verbs describe one noun or are there better ways? Jeremy
On 1/25/2018 5:57 PM, David Holt wrote:
Do we have an official way to describe an object with two {-bogh} verbs? If we want to use more than one verb that is not a "be" verb (or a more than two "be" verbs) how do we do that? We have {yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI'}, but it doesn't seem good to me and I write it off as poetic licence. Even if we consider {je} to be acting adverbally here, I still have trouble with the object of {yoH} being in the following sentence. Has Dr. Okrand told us that this is the way to make two verbs describe one noun or are there better ways?
When TKD tells us that *'ej, pagh, *and *qoj* conjoin sentences, what it really means is that they conjoin like verbal clauses. Most rules that talk about sentences also apply to verbal clauses. Some canonical examples of conjoined non-main-verb-clause verbal clauses: *SuDbogh Dargh 'ej wovbogh */the tea that is *SuD* and light /(KGT) *romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI' */Romulan hunter-killer probe/ (KCD) *pay' HIvDI' lo'wI' pagh mupDI' QIHchu' bIH. *[literally:] /when the user attacks suddenly or when he/she strikes, they damage completely/ (Skybox SP2) *...lengtaHvIS tlhInganpu' 'ej qo'mey Sar charghtaHvIS chaH... *[literally:] /...while Klingons travel and while they conquer various worlds.../ (Skybox SP1) So feel free to conjoin dependent clauses as well as main clauses with the "sentence" conjunctions, including relative clauses. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 1/25/2018 6:33 PM, SuStel wrote:
Some canonical examples of conjoined non-main-verb-clause verbal clauses:
I forgot to list an example of *'ach:* *quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj 'angbe'bogh */The Klingon who kills without showing his face has no honor. /(TKW) -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 1/25/2018 6:35 PM, SuStel wrote:
On 1/25/2018 6:33 PM, SuStel wrote:
Some canonical examples of conjoined non-main-verb-clause verbal clauses:
I forgot to list an example of *'ach:*
*quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj 'angbe'bogh */The Klingon who kills without showing his face has no honor. /(TKW)
And here's an example with *qoj:* *Qu' buSHa'chugh SuvwI', batlhHa' vangchugh, qoj matlhHa'chugh, pagh ghaH SuvwI''e' */If a warrior ignores duty, acts dishonorably, or is disloyal, he is nothing./ (TKW) -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
jatlh SuStel:
When TKD tells us that 'ej, pagh, and qoj conjoin sentences, what it really
means is that they conjoin like verbal clauses. Most rules that talk about
sentences also apply to verbal clauses. Some canonical examples of
conjoined non-main-verb-clause verbal clauses:
SuDbogh Dargh 'ej wovbogh the tea that is SuD and light (KGT) romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI' Romulan hunter-killer probe (KCD) pay' HIvDI' lo'wI' pagh mupDI' QIHchu' bIH. [literally:] when the user attacks suddenly or when he/she strikes, they damage completely (Skybox SP2) ...lengtaHvIS tlhInganpu' 'ej qo'mey Sar charghtaHvIS chaH... [literally:] ...while Klingons travel and while they conquer various worlds... (Skybox SP1)
So feel free to conjoin dependent clauses as well as main clauses with the
"sentence" conjunctions, including relative clauses.
I sounds like you would say that without the poetic licence, the line from the song should be: {yoHbogh SuvwI' 'ej matlhbogh}
On 1/25/2018 6:38 PM, David Holt wrote:
I sounds like you would say that without the poetic licence, the line from the song should be: {yoHbogh SuvwI' 'ej matlhbogh}
Yes, either that or *yoHbogh 'ej matlhbogh SuvwI'.* At best I'd call this line "unexplained," and poetic license, to make the meter work, seems the best explanation. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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