November 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon spoken in indie film "Harker House"
by De'vID 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

Apparently, there's one scene with spoken Klingon. Househarker.com/amazon Anyone have Amazon Prime and time to waste who can report back what was said, or if it was recognisable? -- De'vID

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Sun
by mayqel qunenoS 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

Qoyje' baj nuv law', vaj pIj SIvlu'; nuq 'oS Qoyje' ? taHmeH laH 'oS Qoyje'; 'e' luHar 'op nuv. Huch SuqmeH laH, 'oS Qoyje'; 'e' luHar latlhpu'. 'ej chaq lugh Hoch nuvpu'vam.. 'a wa' latlh Doch 'oS Qoyje'; 'ej Dochvam Dun law' Hoch Dun puS. Sun 'oS Qoyje'; wa' Doch, wa' DI'ruj chIwchu' Qoyje': qaStaHvIS DIS 'Iq qaplaH vay', qaStaHvIS DIS 'Iq SIQlaH vay', qaStaHvIS DIS 'Iq bupQo' vay'. 'ej reH nIv Dochmeyvam. ~ nI'ghma

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wa' latlh 'amerI'qa' mu'tlhegh 'IH
by mayqel qunenoS 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

qen, 'amerI'qa' much vIbejtaHvIS, vay'vaD jatlh DawI': "hey jackass, why don't you do us all a favor and shut up ?". mu'tlheghvam vIQoyDI', SIbI' vImuSHa' ! 'ej 'amerI'qa'ngan jIH net jalchugh, vaj roD mu'tlheghvam vIlo'qang. DaH, chaq SIvlu'.. 'elaDya'Daq mu'tlhegh rap boghajbe''a' ? HIja'; naDev rapbogh mu'tlhegh law' DIghaj. 'a tlhoy vIghajmo', jIHvaD Dojbe'choH. meqvammo', 'amerI'qa' Sar vImaS.. 'ej vImaSqu'mo', jIjatlhqa': "hey jackass, why don't you do us all a favor and shut up ?" hahaha ~ 'eD

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numbers and {-vam}
by mayqel qunenoS 24 Nov '17

24 Nov '17

If we want to say "during these two years you have irritated us", then which of the following would be correct ? qaStaHvIS cha'vam DIS nuberghmoH or qaStaHvIS cha' DISvam nuberghmoH And because someone, will probably say: don't use "these two years", use "the previous two years", here is another example: "as soon as we saw these two ships we became ready to fight" cha'vam Duj DIleghDI' maSuvrupchoH or cha' Dujvam DIleghDI' maSuvrupchoH So, the question is, whether we can place the {-vam} on a number. ~ nI'ghma

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new words: have personality
by Lieven 22 Nov '17

22 Nov '17

peqIm, here comes some more clarifications for the words used in the Klingon subtitles of DSC on Netflix: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 16. ---- The English word "personality" can have two meanings: (1) qualities or traits that form a person's character (as in "That TV host has a friendly personality") or (2) qualities that make a person popular, charm, charisma (as in "He host has a lot of personality") The noun {DI'on} works for the first meaning, it means "characteristic" or "trait", and could be used if a person is a grouch ("He has a bad personality"). Meaning (2) always refers to positive personal characteristics. To describe this "personality" that's an asset along with physical strength and intelligence, use {loy'}. This verb means something like "have personality, be charismatic, be charming." ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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Klingon Word of the Day: SIQwI'
by Klingon Word of the Day 22 Nov '17

22 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, November 22, 2017 Klingon word: SIQwI' Part of speech: noun Definition: celebrant, recipient Source: KGT This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Are there two KGT versions?
by Lieven 22 Nov '17

22 Nov '17

Hi, I have noticed that there are two different prints of KGT, and I wonder if one of them is an illegal copy or not. The difference is easy to see: One version has very white paper with a clear printed black ink. The other has yellowish paper (like TKD) but the print is not very clear. Even those areas that are white (i.e. empty) still show tiny dots produced by the printer. It looks like someone made a scan of KGT and then printed it. Even the cover looks like has been copied. Has anyone ever noticed that? Or is it maybe even known that this exists? Fake or intended? -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/KlingonForTheGalacticTraveler

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ngIq clarified
by Lieven 21 Nov '17

21 Nov '17

Hi, I had forwarded your questions on {ngIq}, and here is Okrand's answer. Basically, your assumptions were right, but it's good to have this clarified. ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 24. ---- {ngIq} can indeed carry the "one after the other" or "one by one" meaning. So {ngIq mIch wIHotlh] could mean "we scan each individual sector one after the other" or "we scan the sectors one by one." {Hoch} does not have this sequential meaning. {Hoch mIch wIHotlh} is simply "we scan each sector". {Hoch} focuses on things as members of a group; {ngIq} focuses on the individual things. It's a subtle difference, but a difference nonetheless. Both {Hoch} and {ngIq} could be translated with "each"; {Hoch}, but not {ngIq}, could be translated with "every." {ngIq} could also be translated as "single" or "individual" but the implication is that there are or could be other similar things as well (even if they don't matter for what is currently being talked about). For example, in paq'batlh, the phrase {ngIq tonSaw'}is translated "one single move." The implication is that whatever is going on here could have been or might have been accomplished with several moves (presumably sequentially), but one was enough. Saying {wa' tonSaw'} would not get across the idea that more than one move was possible but was not needed and did not occur. Sometimes {ngIq} and {Hoch} are interchangeable. For example, a sentence in Monopoly is {ngIq gholvo' wa'maH QaS yItlhap} "Collect 10 forces from every player." Chances are, you'll take the forces from each opponent one at a time, one after the other (so {ngIq} is used appropriately here), but collecting the forces sequentially is not important as far as the game goes (so {Hoch} would have been fine as well). {ngIq X} is considered inherently plural (like {cha} and some other words) since it refers to more than one X (if there were only one X, you'd simply say X or wa' X.) As such, it is grammatically singular, so {wIHotlh} in your sentence is correct; {DIHotlh} is wrong. (The description of {ngIq} in boQwI' is pretty good.) ---- This tidbit from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de later: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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Klingon Word of the Day: welwelwel
by Klingon Word of the Day 21 Nov '17

21 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, November 21, 2017 Klingon word: welwelwel Part of speech: excl Definition: sound made by a stereotypic targh Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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new words: the mycelial network
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

peqIm, someone recently pointed at me that it's weird that the "mycelial network" is called {'atlhqam SIr'o'}, while the 'atlhqam seems to be a special kind of mushroom native to Kronos (as described in KGT). Here is a long and nice explanation (or even "ret qon" from Okrand): ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 16. ---- MO: For the "mycelial network", Maltz suggests you use the word {SIr'o'}. It can mean "web" or "mesh" and perhaps also "lattice" or "nexus." He said that's the word you'd use to describe the complex road map you and I talked about. LLL: The mycelial network described in Star Trek: Discovery is referred to as {'atlhqam SIr'o'} in the subtitles. But according to the book "Klingon for the Galactic Traveler", the {'atlhqam} is a type of fungus native to Kronos, "usually scraped off the bottom of certain animals’ feet". MO: Technically, {'atlhqam} refers to a specific type of fungus, not fungi in general. But apparently it's a really common type of fungus (at least one commonly used in food) because it's the word the Klingons used when they encountered Earth mushrooms. As you know, the Klingon way to say "mushroom" (referring to a particular kind of fungus they found on Earth, not a Klingon thing) is {tera' yav 'atlhqam}. This suggests that although the typical {'atlhqam} is found on the feet of some sort of Klingon animal or on Klingon trees, there's another kind of {'atlhqam} that grows in or on the ground (this would be a {yav 'atlhqam}). And the {yav 'atlhqam} must have some similarities to the mushroom found on Earth (but not be exactly alike) so that they call the Earth thing by the name of the Klingon thing closest to it and we get {tera' yav 'atlhqam}. Apparently {tera' yav 'atlhqam} refers to any kind of Earth mushroom, and there are zillions. For all I know there are a zillion kinds of Klingon {yav 'atlhqammey} also. Anyway, if there are at least several different kinds of Klingon {yav 'atlhqam}, that word – well, noun compound – may well refer to different kinds of Klingon fungi. Furthermore, since whatever grows on the animals' feet probably doesn't look at all like an Earth mushroom (though, of course, I could be wrong about this), I suspect the foot-bottom 'atlhqam also doesn't look much like the Klingon {yav 'atlhqam} either. But they must have something in common; otherwise Klingons wouldn't consider the {yav 'atlhqam} to be a kind of {'atlhqam}. So {'atlhqam} (without the {yav}) seems to refer to lots of different kinds of Klingon fungi. The point of all this is that there are a number of different Klingon things and Earth things are all called {'atlhqam}. So even though, technically, {'atlhqam} is not a general term corresponding to English "fungus" or "mycelium" or anything like that, it seems to cover a lot of different fungus-like things. So, in non-scientific, everyday speech, it seems to function as a general term for "fungus." ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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