November 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

easterlings tIvan
by mayqel qunenoS 30 Nov '17

30 Nov '17

wa' mIllogh le' 'agh lord of the rings cha'; sauronvaD SuvmeH easterlings, lojmIt'a' qIj luvegh. ghIq mordor lu'el. mIlloghvam vIbejDI', jItIw. reH, muDuQ wanI'vam lururbogh wanI''e'. QaQwI'pu'qoqvaD SuvQo' easterlings, 'ej latlh joH'a' lutu'; gandalf veQpu'Daj je lajQo', 'ej Suvchu'. reH, latlh joH'e' tlha'laHbogh vay' tu'lu'. 'ej maHvaD ngoDvam luqawmoH easterlings. ~ nI'ghma

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time words and deixis
by Ed Bailey 30 Nov '17

30 Nov '17

Age is normally expressed as in the example {loSmaH ben jIboghpu'}, "I was born 40 years ago." http://klingonska.org/canon/search/?file=1996-12-12a-news.txt&q=age The English word "ago" tends to be always relative to the present. {ben} is glossed as "years ago" but is it necessarily relative to the present, or is it relative to the event being talked about? Say we want to use age to express when something happens, as in {qaSpu' wanI'vam loSmaH ben jIboghpu'DI'}. Does it say "This event happened when I was 40 years old (when I had been born 40 years previously)" or "This event happened when I was born forty years ago." Switching the dependency of the clauses, {qaSpu'DI' wanI'vam loSmaH ben jIboghpu'}, seems to have the desired effect on {ben}: "When this event happened, I had been born 40 years ago (that is, I was 40)." But I can still conceive that it could be understood as "I was born 40 years ago when this event happened." Reversing the order of the clauses shouldn't have any effect in Klingon, but I would tend to interpret {loSmaH ben jIboghpu' qaSpu'DI' wanI'vam} as "I was born 40 years ago, when this event happened" instead of "I had been born 40 years previously when this event happened." Are there relevant canon examples? ~mIp'av <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam…> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] time words and deixis
by mayqel qunenoS 29 Nov '17

29 Nov '17

SuStel: > You're using "fourth year," but to me "fourth year" is counting > years as they occur, not counting them backwards. I see your point. Unfortunately, I can't think of an alternate way of saying it. Unless we wrote: {tagh noH, 'ej ghIq -qaSDI' loS DIS- bogh} the war begun, and then -as soon as four years had happened- he was born What is your opinion on this approach ? ~ nI'ghma On Nov 29, 2017 22:13, "SuStel" <sustel(a)trimboli.name> wrote: On 11/29/2017 3:08 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: > SuStel > > What is the fourth year which preceded his > > life? > > hmm.. I see what you mean. What would you think of the following then ? > > {qaStaHvIS yInDaj bI'reS nungbogh DIS loSDIch'e', tagh noH} > > while the fourth year which preceded the beginning of his life was > happening, the war started > You're using "fourth year," but to me "fourth year" is counting years as they occur, not counting them backwards. Anyway, the very fact that you have to resort to locutions like this shows has ill-equipped the language is at this sort of thing. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Klingon Word of the Day: ngIng
by Klingon Word of the Day 29 Nov '17

29 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, November 29, 2017 Klingon word: ngIng Part of speech: verb Definition: have a negative charge, be negatively charged Source: qep'a' 23 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Hay
by Klingon Word of the Day 28 Nov '17

28 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, November 28, 2017 Klingon word: Hay Part of speech: noun Definition: area beyond Source: qep\'a\' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Damu'
by Klingon Word of the Day 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, November 25, 2017 Klingon word: Damu' Part of speech: noun Definition: crease Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: wal
by Klingon Word of the Day 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, November 27, 2017 Klingon word: wal Part of speech: verb Definition: vibrate, be in a state of vibration Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Daq noy
by Klingon Word of the Day 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, November 23, 2017 Klingon word: Daq noy Part of speech: noun Definition: landmark (not a building) Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: noD
by Klingon Word of the Day 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, November 24, 2017 Klingon word: noD Part of speech: verb Definition: retaliate Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: qotlh
by Klingon Word of the Day 27 Nov '17

27 Nov '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, November 26, 2017 Klingon word: qotlh Part of speech: verb Definition: tickle Source: TKD (102 KE, 157 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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