November 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

new words: rIS
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Correction: rIS is printed on page 13. Hello, Here comes some more clarifications for the words used in Klingon subtitles: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 13. ---- MO: For "signal," I suggest the verb {rIS}. This means "make a cracking or snapping sound" but can also be used to mean "emit a signal." Maybe Klingons used to use Geiger counters a lot. LLL: How is this different to tlhuD "emit radiation"? MO: {rIS }originally referred to emitting sound only. Later the meaning was extended to mean emitting any sort of signal – sound, radiation, smell, etc. {tlhuD} refers to radiation only. LLL: So a {rISwI'} would be some sending device, right? MO: It could mean this, yes. LLL: How would I say that I receive or detect a signal? What about {rISHa'}? Is it the opposite of "sending"? MO: {rISHa'} would refer to sending a signal improperly, like maybe to the wrong person. It wouldn't mean "receive or detect a signal." ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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new words: rIS
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello, Here comes some more clarifications for the words used in Klingon subtitles: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 23. ---- MO: For "signal," I suggest the verb {rIS}. This means "make a cracking or snapping sound" but can also be used to mean "emit a signal." Maybe Klingons used to use Geiger counters a lot. LLL: How is this different to tlhuD "emit radiation"? MO: {rIS }originally referred to emitting sound only. Later the meaning was extended to mean emitting any sort of signal – sound, radiation, smell, etc. {tlhuD} refers to radiation only. LLL: So a {rISwI'} would be some sending device, right? MO: It could mean this, yes. LLL: How would I say that I receive or detect a signal? What about {rISHa'}? Is it the opposite of "sending"? MO: {rISHa'} would refer to sending a signal improperly, like maybe to the wrong person. It wouldn't mean "receive or detect a signal." ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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my own way
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello, The question was how to express a phrase like "my own ship" or "Every language has its own writing system"? Using a possessive suffix seems not to convey this meaning of indiduality. Here's the answer: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 18. ---- Use the verb {tlhIn} "be particular, individual." (Note that "individual" in this definition does not mean simply "single, separate" but rather something like "be attributable to something or someone" or "be uniquely associated with something or someone.") {DujwIj tlhIn} "my particular ship, my own ship" {betleHlIj vIneHbe', betleHwIj tlhIn vIghaj} "I don't want your bat'leth, I have my own bat'leth" Even with this word, it gets confusing when third person is involved, since, as you point out, there could be two different third persons. {DujDaj legh HoD} "The captain sees his/her ship." This could mean that the captain sees his/her own ship or sees somebody else's ship. Adding {tlhIn} doesn't help: {DujDaj tlhIn legh HoD} could mean either "The captain sees his/her own ship" or else "The captain sees his/her particular ship" (when we know that, in this case, "his/her" refers to someone other than the captain). This confusion arises, however, only when at least one of the third persons is referred to pronominally only. If nouns are used, the ambiguity goes away: {jagh Duj tlhIn legh HoD} "The captain sees the enemy's own ship" {HoD Duj tlhIn legh HoD} "The captain sees the captain's own ship" Aha, you say, if there are two captains, it's still ambiguous. And you are correct, but it has nothing to do with "own." You'd have to distinguish them in the discourse anyway to avoid ambiguity. {HoD qan Duj legh HoD Qup} "The young captain sees the old captain's ship" {HoD qan Duj tlhIn legh HoD Qup} "The young captain sees the old captain's own ship" {HoDlI' Duj legh HoDwI'} "My captain sees your captain's ship" {HoDlI' Duj tlhIn legh HoDwI'} "My captain sees your captain's own ship" When there's only one caption being talked about in the discussion, there's no ambiguity: {DujDaj tlhIn legh HoD} "The captain sees his/her own ship" This isn't ambiguous as long as in the discourse or conversation there only one captain and only one possible referent for "his/her." That is, this lack of ambiguity is due to context, a consideration not possible with a single sentence in isolation. If someone said, out of the blue (out of any context), {DujDaj tlhIn legh HoD}, this would be ambiguous. But except in language classes and things like that, people generally don't talk in individual sentences out of the blue. ---- PS: When asked about whether the word {qangtlhIn} is related, Okrand said: "No relationship that I know of. But I'm not a Klingon philosopher. Neither is Maltz. " ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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vItlh vs. law'
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello again, Some people were confused about how to use the verb {vItlh} ("be high"), especially about where the difference is to {law'} ("be many"). ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 17. ---- {vItlh} means "be high, great (in quantity, size, intensity)." It's used for things that are measurable or quantifiable but not necessarily countable. So you'd use it for things like speed or distance or the price of something: {Do vItlh} "high velocity," {chuq vItlh} "great range, great distance." You wouldn't use {law'} in these instances. For things you can count (like people) (as opposed to things you can measure using units of measure, like length or speed), you'd use {law'} almost all the time. But you'd use {vItlh} if the number of whatever it is you're talking about is higher than normal or greater than before or greater than what was expected. So if you were referring to a lot of warriors, you'd most likely say {SuvwI'pu' law'}. But if the high number of warriors is somehow important, if it's the point you're trying to make and not just an added fact, you'd use {vItlh}. You'd use it if you're not saying merely that there are a lot of warriors, but that the quantity of warriors is particularly high (higher than usual, higher than expected, higher than some other similar group of warriors, etc.). So it sounds like L'Rell used {vItlh} correctly in referring to the large number of people who died in battle (more than expected, more than before, etc.). Note that the exact number of warriors (or whatever) doesn't matter (and doesn't have to be stated). The idea is that the high number of warriors you're talking about is somehow noteworthy (the number of warriors who died is greater than the norm for this sort of military unit, for example). ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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vabDot
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello again, The word {vabDot} was used in a sentence of Monopoly, but never translated as one word, so people could only guess that it means "even" or "including". The phrase was: {Qo'noS romuluS je boSuqlaH. vabDot tera' Qejbogh DIvI' ram boSuqlaH.} "Kronos, Romulus and even the puny Federation's precious Earth, are all for grabs." ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 14. ---- {vabDot} means something like "moreover, furthermore, even". "Even" is a good English translation of {vabDot} in a number of contexts. It's not the only definition of {vabDot}, but I think it's okay as part of the definition. But there's a little more to it than that. It's used to say that something is unexpected or surprising or counterintuitive, not just additional. For something that's just additional, you'd probably use {je} "also." Grammatically, {vabDot} is considered an adverbial. ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de later: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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Logic and emotions
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello again, some details about logic and emotions: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 13. ---- MO: For "logic," use the verb {meq}. It's a verb that means, among other things, "think logically." I think Klingons would use a verb when talking about types of thinking rather than a noun. For "emotions," you can use the verb {tIw}. This means "react emotionally, behave emotionally." LLL: Can {tIw} take an object? As with meaning of "feeling emotions", being one's own, or someone else emotions? MO: No. I don't think it can take an object. You'd probably say something like: {cheghDI' bangwI' jItIw.} LLL: How would one say "feel" in the meaning of "sensing", like when the Betazoid says "I can sense a presence" or "I can feel that he is angry"? This is more than guessing, this is something that one perceives. MO: The word you want is {jem}. It means "sense, feel, perceive, detect" and can be used in the way you describe, but also for a machine that detects something (like a smoke detector). ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de later: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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Netflix Press Release words
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hello again, here are the definitions and details for the words used in the Netflix Press Release: ---- For the archive: this is printed in qepHom 2017, page 12. ---- LLL: Is there a Klingon word to refer to a TV-show, and how would make a difference to a movie? Would {ghe'naQ much} be appropriate? MO: I think I'd use much for "show" (or even "movie") rather than {ghe'naQ} (unless, of course, it really is an opera). I think {HaSta much} (or even {HaSta jIH much}) is fine for "TV show." For "watch," {bej} is fine. Depending on the meaning of the full sentence, {jIH} might be okay also. For "account," use {mab}. This means "treaty," but also "agreement, contract." For "content," {lutmey} is okay. A "series" can be called {lut mIr}. For "offer, provide," Maltz revealed the word {peS} "supply, furnish, provide, dispense." LLL: It can certainly take an object, I guess, the thing that is given. The question will be the use of the verb. Can the army supply their soldiers with weapons? MO: Right. LLL: "Dispense" sounds like "give away". MO: "Dispense" here is in the sense of "hand out, give out, distribute." "Give away" means to give something to somebody for free, as a gift. {peS} does not necessarily mean that, though it could be used for that. It's not the same as {nob}. LLL: Can a person stand in the street and {peS} food or papers to the people? MO: Yes. LLL: Does Maltz "provide" us with words? MO: No. If you said that sentence, it would imply that Maltz, for example, handed out little pieces of paper with words written on them. A verb to use for what Maltz does when he tells us words is {'otHa'} "disclose, divulge." {'ot} means "withhold (information)". LLL: I think you don't say {nupeS} "he provides us". Right? MO: Right. Unless we are the things he is providing to someone. But of course {nupeS} is okay if you're using the prefix trick. ---- This information from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de later: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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New small rule
by Lieven 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Hi, during the #qepHom2017, Marc Okrand wrote a small dedication in someone's book, then looked at me and said smiling "We have anew rule, I just decided about this." What he wrote was: {To the [name] family -- not pejegh! Qapla'!} This may be or not a new rule, but it just shows that when you refer to one family, but address the members of the family, you use the plural suffix. This tidbit from #qepHom2017 will be added to the page "Message from Maltz" on qepHom.de later: https://www.qephom.de/e/message_from_maltz.html -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/qepHom2017

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qepHom'a' new words
by mayqel qunenoS 20 Nov '17

20 Nov '17

Has anyone posted the qepHom'a' 2017 new words to this list ? Because the little bird I usually consult, lists some words as words having been revealed at the qepHom'a'. Did I miss something here ? ~ nI'ghma

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: BLANK
by Michael Roney, Jr. 19 Nov '17

19 Nov '17

It's the null prefix. Very useful. I hope to see a lively discussion. ~Michael Roney, Jr. Sent from my Palm Prē -------- Original message --------From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> Date: 11/16/17 10:01 (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: BLANK what a nice word.. On Nov 16, 2017 17:00, "Klingon Word of the Day" <kwotd(a)wizage.net> wrote: Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, November 16, 2017 Klingon word: BLANK Part of speech: Definition: BLANK Source: This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org) _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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