August 2016 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon Word of the Day: magh
by qurgh＠wizage.net 02 Aug '16

02 Aug '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, August 02, 2016 Klingon word: magh Part of speech: verb Definition: betray Source: TKD (93 KE, 121 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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muvchuqmoH. seriously ?
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Aug '16

02 Aug '16

read this : Qo'noS tuqmey muvchuqmoH qeylIS kahless united the tribes of kronos ..good for him ; but for the rest of us, why the {muvchuqmoH} takes an object ? according to tkd, when the {-chuq} suffix is used, the verb prefix must indicate "no object". that is the word which bears the {-chuq} can't take an object. the ones that are {-chuq"ed"}, must be the recipients of each others actions. they can't {-chuq} each other, and then all of them together {-chuq} someone else too. now, perhaps this sentence stands because we have the {-moH}, on the {muvchuq} ; but even so, I can't bring myself to *feeling* the combined meaning of {-chuq} {-moH} with that of a subject too. mop qIj

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ghorgh HuvchoH Dochmey
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Aug '16

02 Aug '16

qaStaHvIS yIn, ngoDvam nap tlhojlu'DI', HuvchoH Hoch Dochmey.. nuq 'oH Dochvam'e' ? tagha' mamob Hoch maH. vIt neH 'oHbej.. nach velwI' qIj Sent from my goat phone

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Source of Power
by mayqel qunenoS 02 Aug '16

02 Aug '16

reH jIjatlh 'ej reH jIHar : muSHa'choHDI' vay' vaj pujchoHbej. DaH tughel, qatlh ? nap jangmeH mu'tlhegh : muSHa'choHDI' vay', latlhpu'Daq tIqDaj bagh. chaH chIlvIpchoH ghaH. 'ej meqvammo', tagha' tlhabDaj chIl ghaH. qatlh tlhab *sith* ? muSHa'Qo'mo'. chaH neH SaH chaH 'ej meqvammo' tlhabchu' chaH. gotham much ghomDaq 'ay' tu'lu' ; qen penguin SoS HoHlu'ta'. penguinvaD jatlh nygma : nygma : muSHa'DI' 'op nuv HoSchoH chaH. 'a muSHa'DI' nururbogh nuv, pujchoH chaH. penguin : naDevvo' yIghoS, *ed* ! nygma : nubotDI' pagh, manIvchoH ! penguin : nuqjatlh ? nygma : vIt DachIDta' SoH'e' : bIpujmo' Heghpu' SoSlI' ! 'a ngoDvam DatlhojnIS : yInpu'mo' SoSlI', bIpujpu' ! penguin : quvwI' ghaHpu' SoSwI' ! jIH muSaHbogh nuv neH ! 'a DaH Heghpu' ghaH ! 'ej pagh vIghaj ! nygma : pagh muSHa'bogh loD.. loDvetlh tlhonglaH pagh. loDvetlh maghlaH pagh. loDvetlhvaD neH jang loDvetlh. DaH, jIH tlhopwIjDaq loDvetlh vIlegh ! loD tlhabchu' ! mu'tlheghvam DIQubnISbej Hoch.. nach velwI' qIj

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] I've had it with the finger verbs !
by seruq 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

> > As a physician, myself, I do number them > > from 1 to 5, but it's not always helpful to use > > the numbers with my patients > and here lies the heart of the problem. > because numbers are confusing, the definitions > of the finger verbs should not be given using numbering > terms. > the numbering system must either be used > correctly, or not used at all. You have mentioned in a few emails now about the confusion of numbering toes and fingers. I am confused about where the confusion lies. 1 through 5. In your original email, you showed that you number them the same as everyone else; 1 through 5, starting with the thumb or big toe. Was is recently revealed that Klingons count fingers and toes starting with 0, like Human computer peripherals? Did I miss something? - DloraH

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Klingon Word of the Day: ghID
by qurgh＠wizage.net 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, August 01, 2016 Klingon word: ghID Part of speech: verb Definition: pierce, perforate Source: qepHom 2015 p.18 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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I've had it with the finger verbs !
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

When we talk about fingers at earth, we use this numbering : thumb or great toe = number one and THEN we say second finger/toe, third finger/toe etc. So, look at this and tell me what to think : {Qay'} (v) = use the little toe {qan} (v) = use the pinkie. Is the pinkie and the little toe the same ? Why can't we have a jay' clear and unambiguous numbering which could resolve this ? Perhaps I should flush the finger verbs down the toilet, together with the "mother's sister's husband daughter go figure" words.. nach velwI' qIj

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] FYI office tools [REPOST]
by Steven Boozer 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

mayqel qunenoS asks: >> depending on the device. [...] The hole punch > > What does the [...] contain ? Curiosity is killing me. Please tell me. > I need to know ! Thank kahless I'm not a cat. Lieven interviewed Okrand at qepHom 2015. Here is his entire (unformatted) post on office vocabulary from October. There were many new words vocabulary and a few new insights into existing ones. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Title: office tools Source: qepHom 2015 Exercise book Page: 18 Published: 29 october 2015 Marc Okrand has had a chance to talk to Maltz again who was quite talkative and gave us lots of new useful words. As usual, some of the definitions were not clear on the first sight, so your Klingon teacher talked to Marc Okrand to get more information. Lieven L. Litaer (LL): We all know the word nav from TKD, which is simply labeled as "paper". In the Klingon Monopoly, it is used in a phrase Huch nav meaning a bill, in the sense of money. Can this word also be used for a "sheet of paper"? Marc Okrand (MO): Yes, that's also nav. LL: If it's a page in a book, is it also a nav? And what if I refer to only one side of such a page, could I use Dop for that? Each nav does have two sides. MO: You would not say nav wej for "page three", unless you're talking about three separate sheets of paper. A "page" (like the page in a book, that you can number) is a tenwal. Maltz also wanted me to point out that tenwal ("page") is used only for numbered pages in a book or something similar. One side of a piece of paper is a Dop, so a piece of paper has two Dopmey. Usually, there is one tenwal per Dop, but page numbering can get confusing sometimes. Here are some more words related to paper: a letter, that is a message written on a sheet of paper and sent to someone is a nav QIn. An envelope is called nav vaH. In context, vaH by itself is enough. The word vaH can actually be used for everything you put something inside of it. It's a cover for it. A bill, a payment request, something you must pay, is a ghogh'ot. A stapler is a Ha'on vevwI'. The staple, the little metal thing, is called baS Ha'on or just Ha'on. The verb vev means "insert, put in", so the stapler is literally a device that "puts in" the staple (Ha'on) into the paper. LL: If the object of vev are the staples, where would I put the paper into the sentence? It seems to be called a "staple-inserter", not a "paper-stapler"... MO: That's true; the result is that it's stapling paper together, but what it's really doing is sticking a staple into the papers. LL: So how do I say "staple the sheets "? MO: To "staple" papers together is to rar them. To use a stapler or hole punch ("perforator, hole punch" nIqDob), you qIp it or 'uy it or ngaH ("squeeze") it, depending on the device. But Maltz said that doesn't mean "squeeze" like squeezing into a tight space. That verb is qoch. (The object of this verb is the space -- like a small car or a crowded elevator -- being squeezed into, and this includes clothes or shoes that are too small.) For squeezing a toothpaste tube or for squeezing an orange, he said the verb is ngaH. The hole punch will ghID ("pierce, perforate") the paper (or other material). LL: Can ghID also mean perforate a paper with a tooth pick or similar? MO: Yes, of course. LL: What else can I vev? MO: You could put the letter in the envelope. Or put a pen into a pen holder. A binder or a notebook is called gho paq. But it's not a notebook with multiple pages you write notes on. It's something you can add papers to and take them out. It's an empty book where you can put pages in, and it holds them together. A stamp (rubber stamp, a tool/device, not postage stamp) is a toqwIn. To use a stamp, you ink it up and then you Dut it ("slam [it] down"). The word for ink is rItlh, and the ink pad is called rItlh 'echlet. The image that results from using a rubber stamp is yang. LL: When you ink it up, do you simply Dut it into the rItlh 'echlet? MO: Yes, but there is a way to say that you're applying ink. To "ink up" a rubber stamp is to laS it. This verb is also used to refer to putting paint on a rItlh naQ. Maltz said that there's a slang term for this action also: pID. LL: Can the verb Dut "slam down" be used for other things, too? MO: Yes, like when you're angry, you "slam down" the phone. The verb Dut is not exclusive to the use of a stamp, right. LL: So the stamp is the object of the verb Dut. The object is not the paper: toqwIn vIDut. I slam down the stamp. MO: A mouse pad is called 'eQway' 'echlet. LL: It seems like 'echlet is a general term for boards, like keyboard and gaming board, and apparently any flat shaped form. Could I use it for a cutting board? MO: Yes, just like the cutting knife pe'meH taj, this would be a pe'meH 'echlet. LL: What do you see as a size limit? What if I use a construction plate that is six by six feet wide, is that still an 'echlet? MO: It is, but that's weird. If you call that an 'echlet, people would understand, but there's probably another word for something that big. A big slab of concrete under the building, the foundation, that's definitely not an 'echlet. LL: What about, for instance, wooden boards or planks used for wall or ceiling covering, which are few inches wide but several feet long? MO: When it's used by itself, when you use it as part of a construction, there may be another name for it, but the shape itself may be described as 'echlet tIq. -------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] I've had it with the finger verbs !
by Michael Roney, Jr. 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

Perhaps a visual will help https://www.instagram.com/p/BIkjtpZj2sV/

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] I've had it with the finger verbs !
by seruq 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

> > > The relationship words are very useful. > > I respect your opinion, but I don't agree. > > They are confusing and useless. > There are Earth languages that describe > relatives the same or in similar > ways. They seem to manage just fine. I find English to be too vague. You take your girlfriend to meet your family, "This is my Uncle Ernie". Ok, so is he on your dad's side or your mom's side? Is he related by blood, or through marriage? - DloraH

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