Re: [tlhIngan Hol] I've had it with the finger verbs !
As a physician, myself, I do number them from 1 to 5, but it's not always helpful to use the numbers with my patients and here lies the heart of the problem. because numbers are confusing, the definitions of the finger verbs should not be given using numbering terms. the numbering system must either be used correctly, or not used at all.
You have mentioned in a few emails now about the confusion of numbering toes and fingers. I am confused about where the confusion lies. 1 through 5. In your original email, you showed that you number them the same as everyone else; 1 through 5, starting with the thumb or big toe. Was is recently revealed that Klingons count fingers and toes starting with 0, like Human computer peripherals? Did I miss something? - DloraH
In my (limited) experience, how you number finger on Earth mostly depends on whether you're a pianist (or player of another keyboard instrument), or a violinist (or player of another stringed instrument). I hear "fourth finger" and immediately think of the ring finger, while my brother hears "fourth finger" and immediately thinks of the pinky. Which has little to do with how Klingons number fingers or toes. -QISta' On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 8:53 AM, seruq <seruq@bellsouth.net> wrote:
As a physician, myself, I do number them from 1 to 5, but it's not always helpful to use the numbers with my patients and here lies the heart of the problem. because numbers are confusing, the definitions of the finger verbs should not be given using numbering terms. the numbering system must either be used correctly, or not used at all.
You have mentioned in a few emails now about the confusion of numbering toes and fingers. I am confused about where the confusion lies. 1 through 5. In your original email, you showed that you number them the same as everyone else; 1 through 5, starting with the thumb or big toe.
Was is recently revealed that Klingons count fingers and toes starting with 0, like Human computer peripherals? Did I miss something?
- DloraH
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Rhona Fenwick:
and given the importance in Klingon society of the House, which is more like a clan or small tribe than a family as we would think of it, we shouldn't be surprised that there is such a complex array of kinship terms.
This is a strong argument and I accept it. Thank you for taking the time to explain all this. The way you explained the subject, definitely provided an explanation for the whole "mother's sister daughter husband go figure" matter (as I like to call it). So now, (finally), I understand the cultural significance for the existence of these words. Unfortunately, I can't learn them, because my greek mind just isn't wired to think that way ; it sounds strange, I know.. Seruq
I am confused about where the confusion lies.
I was confused, because while performing my daily "shoving-down-my-throat-klingon-vocabulary" routine, I came across finger verbs which had contradictory definitions, as far as the numbering is concerned. nach velwI' qIj On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Christa Hansberry <chransberry@gmail.com> wrote:
In my (limited) experience, how you number finger on Earth mostly depends on whether you're a pianist (or player of another keyboard instrument), or a violinist (or player of another stringed instrument). I hear "fourth finger" and immediately think of the ring finger, while my brother hears "fourth finger" and immediately thinks of the pinky.
Which has little to do with how Klingons number fingers or toes.
-QISta'
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 8:53 AM, seruq <seruq@bellsouth.net> wrote:
As a physician, myself, I do number them from 1 to 5, but it's not always helpful to use the numbers with my patients and here lies the heart of the problem. because numbers are confusing, the definitions of the finger verbs should not be given using numbering terms. the numbering system must either be used correctly, or not used at all.
You have mentioned in a few emails now about the confusion of numbering toes and fingers. I am confused about where the confusion lies. 1 through 5. In your original email, you showed that you number them the same as everyone else; 1 through 5, starting with the thumb or big toe.
Was is recently revealed that Klingons count fingers and toes starting with 0, like Human computer peripherals? Did I miss something?
- DloraH
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jIjatlhpu' jIH:
and given the importance in Klingon society of the House, which is more like a
clan or small tribe than a family as we would think of it, we shouldn't be surprised
that there is such a complex array of kinship terms.
mujang mayqel, jatlh:
This is a strong argument and I accept it. Thank you for taking the
time to explain all this.
qay'be'qu'! (poD vay') taH:
Unfortunately, I can't learn them, because my greek mind just isn't
wired to think that way ; it sounds strange, I know..
Not at all strange. You were raised in a certain culture with a certain conception of family structure (as are we all). It's only natural that you'd struggle with the Klingon terms precisely because they're quite different from what one sees in Greek and English society. Kinship is just one of those areas of language that we tend to think of as a fundamental system but is actually very arbitrary in some ways, like colours and also counting. It'll fall into place for you eventually :) Perhaps it might help if you mentally connect labels to people in your own family, if you have them? Who's the ghubDaQ of your family, who are your tey'pu', and so forth. I'm lucky to have at least one each of the eight types of aunts and uncles, for instance, and it helps me work the relationships out once I remember that Donna is my 'e'mamnal, Brett is my 'IrneH, and so forth. QeS 'utlh
QeS:
Perhaps it might help if you mentally connect labels to people in your own family
that's a nice idea ! I'll definitely try it ! On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 7:35 PM, Rhona Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wrote:
jIjatlhpu' jIH:
and given the importance in Klingon society of the House, which is more like a
clan or small tribe than a family as we would think of it, we shouldn't be surprised
that there is such a complex array of kinship terms.
mujang mayqel, jatlh:
This is a strong argument and I accept it. Thank you for taking the
time to explain all this.
qay'be'qu'!
(poD vay')
taH:
Unfortunately, I can't learn them, because my greek mind just isn't
wired to think that way ; it sounds strange, I know..
Not at all strange. You were raised in a certain culture with a certain conception of family structure (as are we all). It's only natural that you'd struggle with the Klingon terms precisely because they're quite different from what one sees in Greek and English society. Kinship is just one of those areas of language that we tend to think of as a fundamental system but is actually very arbitrary in some ways, like colours and also counting.
It'll fall into place for you eventually :) Perhaps it might help if you mentally connect labels to people in your own family, if you have them? Who's the ghubDaQ of your family, who are your tey'pu', and so forth. I'm lucky to have at least one each of the eight types of aunts and uncles, for instance, and it helps me work the relationships out once I remember that Donna is my 'e'mamnal, Brett is my 'IrneH, and so forth.
QeS 'utlh
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On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Rhona Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps it might help if you mentally connect labels to people in your own family, if you have them?
My mother's parents had only daughters, and my father's parents had only sons. That actually makes it easy for me to remember the aunt and uncle terms, as I only have one kind of each to worry about personally: {me'} and {tennuS}. The others either follow from them or are "other". -- ghunchu'wI'.
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