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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Introduction and a letter from Marc Okrand
by James Landau 13 May '21

13 May '21

>Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 07:49:34 +0200 >From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin(a)gmail.com> >{nuqneH} shouldn't really be used as a greeting by the incoming party. It>means "Whaddya want?" I remember reading that that's what *nuqneH* means, but . . . are there any alternatives for people introducing themselves? >That said, what do *you* want from this mailing list? One thing I want is to finally start absorbing more of the Klingon language -- the vocabulary, the affixes and their proper order -- so that I can write and read it. Seeing other people write in it, often accompanied by an English translation, and the joy that comes from recognizing many of the words, or better yet, being able to translate the whole sentence without having to look it up. For instance, reading all the stuff mayqel writes about the Greek deities, accompanied by their English translations so I can follow along, is nothing short of inspiring. Another thing I want is to start translating things into Klingon. Some help isn't bad, but even if I translate the whole thing on my own, I want to make sure I didn't (a) make a syntax error, (b) misuse affixes, or (c) misunderstand the meaning of a word. I already have a particular pop song I'd like to translate in mind. Stay tuned!

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Klingon Word of the Day: tlhIl
by Klingon Word of the Day 13 May '21

13 May '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, May 13, 2021 Klingon word: tlhIl Part of speech: verb Definition: mine Source: TKD (111 KE, 142 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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hellenic gods - zeus introduction
by mayqel qunen'oS 13 May '21

13 May '21

*Zeus:* King of the gods, ruler of Mount Olympus, and god of the sky, weather, thunder, lightning, law, order, and justice. He is the youngest son of Cronus and Rhea. He overthrew Cronus and gained the sovereignty of heaven for himself. In art he is depicted as a regal, mature man with a sturdy figure and dark beard. His usual attributes are the royal scepter and the lightning bolt. His sacred animals include the eagle and the bull. *zeus:* Qunpu’ voDleH; *olympus* HuD che’wI’ ghaH, ‘ej chal, muD, chut, pabtaHghach, ruv je Qun ghaH. tuDtaHvIS, rawtaHvIS, wanI’meyvam che’ *zeus*. *cronus* *rhea* je puqloDpu”e’ *zeus* Qup law’ Hoch Qup puS. *cronus* patlh gheSmeH *zeus*, Dawta', vaj chal che’wI’ mojpu’. *zeus* ‘aghtaHvIS meHghem, voDleH DI’onmey loD ‘agh; nen loDvam, HoS porghDaj, ‘ej qabDajDaq rol Hurgh tu’lu’. voDleH woQ naQHom, pe’bIl, pe’bIl tlhejbogh wab je bIH DI’onDaj motlh’e’. *eagle*, tangqa’, latlhmey je bIH lu’oSbogh Ha’DIbaH’e’. ~ Dana'an

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the beauty of a klingon ship being destroyed
by mayqel qunen'oS 13 May '21

13 May '21

tlhIngan Duj Qaw'lu'; 'IH mIlloghvam. 'ej mIlloghvamDaq defiant Duj tu'lu'chugh je, vaj 'IHchu'.. https://www.deviantart.com/joran-belar/art/The-heat-of-battle-452214232 https://www.deviantart.com/joran-belar/art/The-heat-of-battle-revised-87881… ~ Dana'an

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Pizza is my favorite!
by James Landau 12 May '21

12 May '21

I'm trying to translate a quote from my friend Jolene into Klingon. I want to make sure I did it right. Eng: I love pizza. Pizza is my favorite! Kli: pItSa' chab vIparHa' jIH. pItSa' parHa' law Hoch latlh Sojmey parHa' puS. 1. Is *parHa'* the best way to say "love", or could *muSHa'* also be used? 2. Is "like the most" the correct way to say "favorite"? Is it still grammatical when it's relativistic without using a prefix like vI- to show WHO likes pizza the most?

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Introduction and a letter from Marc Okrand
by James Landau 12 May '21

12 May '21

>Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 08:10:30 +0000 >From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm(a)kth.se> >Thank you for sharing; it's always interesting to add a bit of lore to these glosses, even if one's >theories end up being electron'd. You're welcome, loghaD! And "electron'd" can be a little joke on this forum for years to come. In fact, we can even interchange the words "electron" and "deny", so 40-denier yarn can be "40-electronner yarn" -- I can imagine Maltz saying *loSmaH temwI'* along the lines of the Klingon word for poker -- can't remember it offhand, but I remember it was poke + -er.

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Klingon Word of the Day: bertlham
by Klingon Word of the Day 12 May '21

12 May '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, May 12, 2021 Klingon word: bertlham Part of speech: noun Definition: end (of an opera, play, story, speech) Source: HQ:v12n2p8 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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the Hippocratic Oath
by mayqel qunen'oS 12 May '21

12 May '21

If *I* am not the one to translate the Hippocratic Oath, being greek AND a medical doctor AND a klingon language fan, then who the jay' will??? en: I swear by Apollo Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will carry out, according to my ability and judgment, this oath and this indenture. To hold my teacher in this art equal to my own parents; to make him partner in my livelihood; when he is in need of money to share mine with him; to consider his family as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they want to learn it, without fee or indenture; to impart precept, oral instruction, and all other instruction to my own sons, the sons of my teacher, and to indentured pupils who have taken the Healer’s oath, but to nobody else. I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgment, and I will do no harm or injustice to them. Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art. I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein. Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm, especially from abusing the bodies of man or woman, bond or free. And whatsoever I shall see or hear in the course of my profession, as well as outside my profession in my intercourse with men, if it be what should not be published abroad, I will never divulge, holding such things to be holy secrets. Now if I carry out this oath, and break it not, may I gain for ever reputation among all men for my life and for my art; but if I break it and forswear myself, may the opposite befall me. tlh: jI’IpmeH, *apollo* Qel, *asclepius*, *hygieia*, *panacea*, loD chaHbogh Hoch Qunpu”e’, be’ chaHbogh Hoch Qunpu”e’ je vIrIt, ‘ej chaHvaD ‘IpwIj jantormey vImojmoHmeH. ‘Ipvam, mabvam vIpabmeH, HoSwIj noHmeH laHwIj je vIlo’. vormeH mIw’a’ ghojmoHwI’wI’vaD qaytu’pu’wI’ vIDam; ghaHvaD taHmeH jowIj vIbon; Huch ghajnISDI’, ghaHvaD HuchwIj vIbon; qorDu’DajvaD loDnI’pu’wI’ vIDam; mIw’a’vam lughoj luneHchugh tuqnIghDaj, chaHvaD mIw’a’vam vIghojmoH, ‘ej pagh pop pagh mab joq vIpoQ; puqloDpu’wI’vaD ghojmoHwI’ puqloDpu’vaD vorwI’ ‘Ip lujatlhpu’bogh ‘ej mab luqI’pu’bogh ghojwI’vaD je vangmeH chutmey, HIl’aD lujatlhpu’bogh, Hoch latlh HI’laDmey je vI’otHa’, ‘ach pagh latlhvaD chutmeyvam HIl’aDmeyvam je vI’otHa’. SIDpu’wI’ QaHbogh SopmeH nabmey vIlo’, ‘ej nabmeyvam vI’oghmeH, HoSwIj Hoch noHmeH laHwIj Hoch je vIlo’. SIDpu’wI’vaD jIjochchoHbe’, ‘ej vIQIHbe’. vay’vaD tar vInob net poQchugh, jIHeQbe’, ‘ej wIvvam vIchupbe’. yatlhchugh be’, jaSHa’ be’vamvaD yatlhbe’choHmoHmeH jan vInobbe’. ‘ej watlhtaH ‘ej nIttaH yInwIj mIw’a’wIj je ‘e’ vIqaSmoH. taj vIlo’be’, vabDot naghmo’ bechchugh vay’, taj vIlo’be’, ‘ej Qu’vam lutur mIwvam po’wI’ ‘e’ vIchaw’. ropwI’pu’ vIQaHmeH, juHmey vI’elbogh vI’el, ‘ej chIch jIQIH ‘ej jIjochchoH jIHvaD ‘e’ vIchaw’be’. ‘ej be’pu’ loDpu’ tlhabwI’pu’ toy’wI”a’pu’ je porghmey vIngagh jIHvaD ‘e’ vIchaw’be’qu’. ‘ej Qu’wIj vIturtaHvIS, pagh Qu’wIj vIturbe’taHvIS maja’chuqtaHvIS jIH nuvpu’ je, vay’ vIleghchugh qoj vIQoychugh, ‘ej HurDaq vay’vam jatlhbe’nISlu’chugh, not vay’vam vI’otHa’, ‘ej Sarvam SovvaD potlhchu’bogh pegh vIDam. ‘Ipvam vIpabchugh, ‘ej vIpabHa’be’chugh, qaStaHvIS Hoch poHmey, Hoch nuvpu’Daq yInwIjmo’ vormeH mIw’a’wIjmo’ je jInoychoH ‘e’ vIchavjaj, ‘ach ‘Ipvam vIpabHa’chugh, ‘ej batlhHa’ jIvangchugh, qaSjaj ghu’ Dop. ~ Dana'an

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Klingon Word of the Day: San'emDer
by James Landau 12 May '21

12 May '21

Why is the word for plant "Red Menace" backwards? Because anyone infiltrating capitalist society could be a Communist "plant"?

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Introduction and a letter from Marc Okrand
by James Landau 12 May '21

12 May '21

nuqneH! I have just found and joined this mailing list. My real name is James Landau, but on the online conlanging community, I go by Khemehekis (a word from my conlang Kankonian). In Klingon, I transliterate this into HemeHe'qIS. I first learned that the Klingons had their own language when I was 15 and was browsing the foreign language section of a bookstore. I found a book titled _The Klingon Dictionary_ and was amazed that a race from Star Trek (a TV show I have never seen, but at 15 already knew of, and knew that Klingons were from this show) had its own language's dictionary. I grazed through the book, but did not remember any of the words after a few days. At 16, I found a conlang directory on the Internet with pages on other people's conlangs. This was back in 1996. I decided I finally wanted to develop the language of the Kankonian people of the planet Kankonia (a planet I had invented in late 1993 when I was drawing conplanets and their conpeople with sidewalk chalk along with my siblings). The Kankonian language began that year, and I started to take an interest in reading about other people's conlangs online -- classics like Teonaht, Brithenig, Verdurian, Talossan, Loglan, Lojban, Ceqli, Wenedyk . . . and also the famous Klingon. Over the next few years I added conlangs for other peoples of the Lehola Galaxy (the galaxy that includes Kankonia). During the late nineties and early tenties (so 1996-2003 or thereabouts), some Klingon words started to stick. One thing I remembered was seeing a list of words for all these Klingon bird species that had been invented since TKD came out. I wasn't even aware of the puns, nor that these were analogues of Terran bird species. In the late eleventies (2015-2019), I started to follow Klingon and its new words more closely. I learned many Klingon root words and suffixes, and was able to grok its subject+object prefixes. The personal pronouns of Klingon (jIH, soH, etc.) finally stuck. But there was one thing that led me to seek out Marc Okrand. When the word for "electron", *tem*, was revealed in qep'a' 23, I realized that *tem* also meant "to deny". In Kankonian, the word for electron is *osat* and the word for "to deny" is *osatz". These kind of coincidences do happen (cf. Japanese "ni" and "ni" and English "two" and "to"), but I wondered whether Okrand was making one of his many puns, this time as an allusion to Kankonian! Quite a lot of people in the online conlanging community are aware of Kankonian, so I could not discount this possibility. Not too long afterward, I joined the kli.org and requested "disorder, disability, syndrome, condition" and "headphones" at the kli.org wish list. I know *chabal tetlh* means wish list, but I thought it an intriguing name because there is a somewhat antelope-like creature on Chedam (a planet in the Lehola Galaxy) called a chabal. In late 2020, I met Larry Rogers, a personality in the conlanging community with a BA in linguistics from Michigan State University, at the CBB. He soon friended me on Facebook, and we talked. When I gave him a spreadsheet dictionary file for Kankonian, Larry told me he spoke to Marc Okrand about my accomplishment. It turned out Larry knew Marc Okrand as a Facebook friend. I wrote to Mr. Okrand at his Facebook account a couple of weeks ago, finally getting a chance to ask him about *tem* and *tem*. This was my letter: "Dear Marc Okrand, I'm James Landau. I am friends with Larry Rogers -- the guy with a BA in linguistics from the University of Michigan [sic] -- and he told me he writes you on Facebook. I am also friends with Jim Hopkins of Itlani fame. I would like to correspond with you as well. I have been following your Klingon language and its developments for some time. I find your creativity and unremitting punmanship in Klingon amazing, and post in the conlanging community as Khemehekis (or, in Klingon, HemeHe'qIS), and I was the one who requested words for "headphones" and "disorder, disability, syndrome, condition" at last year's chabal tetlh.. It is because of my requests that Klingon now has the words *DannI'* and *HarqIn*. This year I have requested words for "chromosome" and "Jew". For the last few years, I have been on a quest to find the answer to a burning question about my own conlang, Kankonian. Kankonian is a language spoken my humans living on the planet Kankonia, with a lexicon of over 72,000 words today. Its grammar of over 150 pages is currently up on the web at https://khemehekis.angelfire.com/basic.htm . The surprise came when you introduced the new word *tem* meaning "electron". *tem*, of course, can also be the Klingon word for "deny". Now, here's where it gets eerie. The "electron" sense of tem wasn't added until qep'a' 23. However, as you can see at the archive http://web.archive.org/web/20011226043908/http://pages.prodigy.com/kankonia… , my Kankonian already had, by 2001, the words *osat* for "electron" and *osatz* for "to deny". Due to the dates, I couldn't have been inspired by Klingon . . . but, were you already familiar with Kankonian when you added "*tem*: electron: to Klingon? Perhaps this is all a complete coincidence . . . or could we both have been inspired by the concept of "negative" that appears in both the concepts "deny" and "electron"? (As you'll see, *os* is the word for "not" in Kankonian, and that's wherefrom *osat* and *osatz* were both derived). Or are you one of many conlangers who's been keeping tabs on, perhaps even learning, Kankonian, for some time, unbeknownst to me? I hope to open a communication between the two of us over our shared love of conlanging, and find out the answer to this compelling question! Keep in touch, James Landau Khemehekis" Last Sunday, Marc Okrand wrote back: "Hi James/Khemehekis -- Nice to meet you (in this virtual way). To jump to the burning question: The similarity between the Klingon and Kankonian words for "electron" and "deny" is, as you said, eerie. But, as boring as this is, it's just a coincidence. This sort of thing has happened with Klingon and other languages a few times, which I guess isn't really totally unexpected. I haven't yet seen the list of requested words for the upcoming qep'a' -- but you've tipped me off to two of them. Thanks -- now I can get a head start! Are you planning on attending the virtual qep'a' this year? If so, perhaps I'll see you there. In the meantime, I hope things are going well for you during these weird times. All the best, - Marc" So yeah. I thought this message from Marc might be of interest to the tlhIngan Hol community. I also hope that by joining I can learn more Klingon, through practice and exposure, and start translating! Nice to meet all of you. --HemeHe'qIS

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