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ghu'wIj taQ
by Will Martin 16 May '21

16 May '21

wa’: qen Hegh jIlwIj, *jIm*. Soj ngevwI’vo’ juHlIjDaq paw. puH DujDajDaq ratlh Soj bID juHDajDaq latlh qengtaHvIS. DeSwar bIrDaq ‘op lanpu’. raSDaq ratlh ‘op. SIbI’ Hegh. qaS jajmey. latlh jIl, *rab*, juH ‘emDaq qoy’ *jIm* vIghro' ‘e’ tu’ *rab*. Soj neH. *jIm* juH ghoS *rab* ‘ej *jIm* puH Duj qoDDaq *jIm* Soj legh *rab*. *jIm* lojmIt ghoS ‘ej SoQchu’be’ lojmIt ‘e’ tu’. *jIm* rIt *rab* ‘ach tamtaH Hoch. ‘el ‘ej lom tu’. cha’: qen, qam Do Duj lIghtaHvIS latlh jup ,*raberte*, qIp cha’ puH Duj ‘ej HoH. wej: wa’maH Hut ben jISay’. muqIHpa’ latlh loD, *jan* tlheghtaH be’nawI’. qen nonmo’ taghDaj Hegh *jan*. ghaytaHlaw' jorwI’mey’ law’ . charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

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hellenic gods - primordial gods introduction part 2
by mayqel qunen'oS 16 May '21

16 May '21

en *Primordial Gods - part 2* *Hypnos:* The personification of sleep. *Nemesis:* The goddess of retribution. *The Nesoi:* The goddesses of islands. *Nyx:* The goddess of night. *The Ourea:* The gods of mountains. *Phanes:* The god of procreation in the Orphic tradition. *Pontus:* The god of the sea, father of the fish and other sea creatures. *Tartarus:* The god of the deepest, darkest part of the underworld, the Tartarean pit (which is also referred to as Tartarus itself). *Thalassa:* Personification of the sea and consort of Pontus. *Thanatos:* God of death. Brother to Hypnos (Sleep) and Moros (Doom). *Uranus:* The god of the heavens (Father Sky); father of the Titans. tlh *bI'reS Qunpu' - 'ay' cha'* *hypnos:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; Qonglu’; ghu’vam ‘oS *hypnos*. *nemesis*: be’ ghaHbogh Qun’e’; tuch bortaS Qun. *nesoi:* be’ chaHbogh Qun’e’; ‘ambaymey Qunpu’. *nyx:* be’ ghaHbogh Qun’e’; ram Qun. *ourea:* loD chaHbogh Qun’e’; HuDmey Qunpu’. *phanes:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; puq luboghmoHlu’meH, ngaghlu’; ghu’vam Qun ghaH *phanes*‘e’ ‘e’ SovmoH *orphic* lurDech. *pontus:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; bIQ’a’ Qun, ghotI’mey latlh bIQDepmey je vav. *tartarus:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; bIng qo’Daq QemjIq’a’ rurbogh Daq le”e’ tu’lu’, ‘ej DaqvamvaD *tartarus* QemjIq’a’ ponglu’. *tartarus* QemjIq’a’ jaQ law’ Hoch bIng qo’ Daqmey jaQ puS, ‘ej QemjIq’a’vam Hurgh law’ Hoch bIng qo’ Daqmey Hurgh puS. Daqvam Qun ghaH *tartarus*‘e’, ‘ej {*tartarus* QemjIq’a’} Qoylu’DI’, {*tartarus*} yajlu’ je. *thalassa*: be’ ghaHbogh Qun’e’; bIQ’a’ ‘oS *thalassa*, ‘ej *pontus* ‘Ipnal ghaH. *thanatos:* Hegh Qun. *hypnos* *moros* je loDnI’. *uranus:* chalmey Qun (vav ghaHbogh chal’e’); *titans* vav. ~ Dana'an Zeus was, Zeus is, Zeus will be; oh great Zeus!

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] tlhIngan-Hol Digest, Vol 60, Issue 13
by James Landau 14 May '21

14 May '21

>Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 07:39:52 +0200 >From: "Lieven L. Litaer" <levinius(a)gmx.de> >As ghunchu'wI' wrote before: there are none, get used to it. > >Nevertheless... If you really feel the urge to write some kind of >greeting, you might want to use some of the following. But you should >know they are not true greetings, just literal phrases what they are. > >{peqIm} - You all pay attention! >{HIqIm} - Pay attention to me! > >{Savan} - I salute you. >This is actually a bad suggestion, because {van} is literally "salute", >and not "greet". But this even appears in many non-canon Klingon >literature, because many athur think this is usable as a greeting. > >{DaH jIjatlh} - "I speak now" > >And so on. There is no limit of phrases to catch your opponent's >attention; Just remember that these are no greetings. You would not yell >such a phrase to someone on the street, unles you really want to start a >conversation. > >See also the page at the Klingon Language Wiki: >http://klingon.wiki/En/Hello Thanks so much for that link! I've been browsing the Klingon wiki, but hadn't seen that page before. And now I'll also know, should I ever encounter it, which way of saying "Pleased to meet you!" is fake Klingon!

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Pizza is my favorite!
by James Landau 14 May '21

14 May '21

>Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:40:58 -0400 >From: SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> >> 1. Is *parHa'* the best way to say "love", or could *muSHa'* also be used? > >*muSHa'* is usually the word we use for /love. /*parHa'* means /like./ Oh, all right. I sort of suspected this. >The *law'/puS* (comparative, superlative) sentence can only be used with >qualities. *parHa'* is an action, not a quality, so it can't be used in >a superlative sentence like this. Thanks for making this clear. When I first saw all the grammatical phenomena that followed from adjectives becoming stative verbs in Klingon, I was impressed with the way -wI' could be added to mean "person/thing who/that is [adj.]". Like you could take the verb *nen* meaning "to be adult", and add -wI' to get *nenwI'*, "an adult". Or you could take *ven*, a verb meaning "to be nerdy", and add -wI' to get *venwI'*, a noun meaning "nerd". I guess the semantic difference between action verbs and stative verbs still manifests itself grammatically in some ways. >Your first sentence is correct. (The pronoun *jIH* is optional here, and >usually dropped, but it's not wrong to use it.) For your second >sentence, maybe try using the verb *qaq* /be preferable./ With that >verb, you don't even need a superlative sentence. If you want a >superlative sentence, consider using *QaQ*/be good/ or *'ey*/be >delicious./ Either way, to make it "my" favorite, you might need the >word *jIHvaD* /for me./ > >I'll let you work it out from there. Thanks for leading me to *qaq*. I didn't think to look up the word "preferable". How about: pItSa' chab vImuSHa'. jIHvaD qaq pItSa'!

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Introduction and a letter from Marc Okrand
by James Landau 14 May '21

14 May '21

>Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 16:29:16 -0400 >From: SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> >maj. pov qechvam. bIQapjaj! I was really proud that I recognized "maj" as the interjection for "Good!" without having to look it up! qatlho'. >> Another thing I want is to start translating things into Klingon. Some >> help isn't bad, but even if I translate the whole thing on my own, I >> want to make sure I didn't (a) make a syntax error, (b) misuse >> affixes, or (c) misunderstand the meaning of a word. >> >> I already have a particular pop song I'd like to translate in mind. >> Stay tuned! > >Beginners always want to translate things, especially songs and poems, >and this is probably one of the hardest things you can do. > >Translating simple sentences and ideas is one thing. Translating poetry >or lyrics that were chosen to be metaphorical, subtle, and pithy is >quite another, and even expert Klingon speakers have trouble doing it well. > >I won't tell you not to translate such things, but I strongly recommend >you start on expressing yourself in Klingon rather than trying to >translate the expressions of others. A perspective I hadn't considered. I understand this, as I'm a songwriter myself (with a YouTube channel up at Savegraduation), and was recently invited to translate "I Want It That Way" by BSB into Kankonian (I'm translating some parts; my collaborator, who has his own conlang, is translating other parts). Not only am I a native English speaker, but I understand my own conlang well enough to reason that "You are my fire" would become *Ar as oul rivas* (You are the only blood), as blood is a metaphor used in Kankonian for things that are full of life and passion. My grasp on Kankonian's vocabulary is good enough to be able to think of *pivas* (girls) as a word that rhymes with *rivas*, so I could get the first two lines at: *Ar as oul rivas/Sem hales pivas* (You are the only blood/Among all girls). And so on. I've looked at some song translations on the Klingon Wiki, and I noticed most of them rhyme. So there's an unwritten convention in translating songs into Klingon to get them to fit both the meter and rhyme of the original lyrics?

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] I'm also a beginner
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 14 May '21

14 May '21

Sustel: > puplaw' tlhIngan HollIj. pagh Qagh vItu'pu'. Wow! I'm really happy to hear this! It took me a pretty long time to write those lines, but I'm glad it has paid off! > majQa'! That's a great motivation. Thank you very much for taking the time to proofread it. I'll keep trying!

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Klingon Word of the Day: wabDo
by Klingon Word of the Day 14 May '21

14 May '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, May 14, 2021 Klingon word: wabDo Part of speech: noun Definition: Mach Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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I'm also a beginner
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 14 May '21

14 May '21

*Luis* 'oH pongwIj'e'. 'op wen DaqvamDaq *SAO*, lIw mu'mey je bopbogh QInmey'e' vIghItlhpu'. 'eSpanya'ngan jIH, 'ach DoyIchlan vIDab. naDev 'eSpanya' Hol, DoyIchlan Hol je vIghojmoH. tlhIngan Hol vIparHa'qu'. vIghojtaH jIHvaD Dajqu'mo'. 'ach qeqbe'lu'chugh, ghojlu'chu'be'. vaj 'op tlhIngan Hol mu'tlhegh vIghItlh 'e' vInID. 'ej tlhIngan jIHbe'mo', jIjatlhlaH jIlujvIp! 'ach qaSchugh wanI'vam, vaj jIghojqu'laH. I would really appreciate any help / corrections in order to improve my klingon! Thank you very much!

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silent hill is crap
by mayqel qunen'oS 14 May '21

14 May '21

DaHjaj qaStaHvIS cha' rep, jIvumnISbe'taH, vaj silent hill vIbejpu'. HajmoHmeH much 'oHlaw' silent hill'e', vaj mughIjchu' 'e' vItul.. 'a crap jay' 'oH. *crap*na'. veQvammo' cha' yInwIj rep vIlo'Ha'pu'. Don't see it! mughIjchu'pu' event horizon. mughIjchu'pu' in the mouth of madness. mughIjchu'pu' pet cemetery paq. muchmeyvammo'/paqvammo' robwIlmey vISIQpu', vaj vItIvqu'pu'. 'a silent hill'e'.. qID/veQ/crap 'oH. yIbejQo'. ~ Dana'an

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hellenic gods - primordial gods introduction part 1
by mayqel qunen'oS 14 May '21

14 May '21

en *Primordial Gods - part 1* *Achlys:* The goddess of poisons, and the personification of misery and sadness. Said to have existed before Chaos itself. *Aether:* The god of light and the upper atmosphere. *Aion:* The god of eternity, personifying cyclical and unbounded time. Sometimes equated with Chronos. *Ananke:* The goddess of inevitability, compulsion, and necessity. *Chaos*: The personification of nothingness from which all of existence sprang. Depicted as a void. Initially genderless, later on described as female. *Chronos:* The god of empirical time, sometimes equated with Aion. Not to be confused with the Titan Cronus (Kronos), the father of Zeus. *Erebus:* The god of darkness and shadow. *Eros*: The god of love and attraction. *Gaia (Gaea):* Personification of the Earth (Mother Earth); mother of the Titans. *Hemera:* The goddess of day. tlh *bI'reS Qunpu' - 'ay' wa'* *achlys:* be’ ghaHbogh Qun’e’; tarmey Qun. bechlu’, ‘IQlu’; ghu’meyvam ‘oS *achlys*. *chaos* tu’choHlu’pu’pa’, *achlys* tu’lu’ net Har. *aether:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; tamghay, Dung muD je Qun. *aion:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; Hoch poHmey Qun. qaStaHbogh ‘ej Dorbe’bogh poH ‘oS *aion*. rap *chronos* *aion* je rut net Har. *ananke:* be’ ghaHbogh Qun’e’. vay’ junlaHbe’ nuv, qaSnIS vay’, ‘ut vay’; ghu’meyvam Qun ghaH *ananke*‘e’. *chaos:* bI’reS pagh tu’lu’, ‘ej Hoch mung ‘oH paghvam’e’; paghvam ‘oS *chaos*. Qunvam ‘aghlu’taHvIS, ‘achghej ‘aghlu’. *chaos* ‘aghchoHlu’taHvIS, pagh porgh tu’qom vay’ ‘aghlu’, ‘ach qaSchoHpu’DI’ ‘op poH, be’ ghaHbogh Qun’e’ ‘aghlu’. *chronos:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; poH jemlu’bogh Qun. rap *aion* *chronos* je rut net Har. pIm *cronus* (*kronos*) titan (*zeus* vav), *chronos* je, vaj rap cha’ Qunvam net Dambe’nIS. *erebus:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; Hurghchu’ghach QIb je Qun. *eros:* loD ghaHbogh Qun’e’; muSHa’ nuv, ‘ej parmaqqay neH nuv; ghu’meyvam Qun ghaH *eros*‘e’. *gaia (gaea):* tera’ (SoS ghaHbogh tera”e’) ‘oS. *titans* SoS ghaH. *hemera:* be’ ghaHbogh Qun’e’; pem Qun. ~ Dana'an Zeus was, Zeus is, Zeus will be; oh great Zeus!

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