Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Introduction and a letter from Marc Okrand
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 07:49:34 +0200 From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
{nuqneH} shouldn't really be used as a greeting by the incoming party. It>means "Whaddya want?"
I remember reading that that's what *nuqneH* means, but . . . are there any alternatives for people introducing themselves?
That said, what do *you* want from this mailing list?
One thing I want is to finally start absorbing more of the Klingon language -- the vocabulary, the affixes and their proper order -- so that I can write and read it. Seeing other people write in it, often accompanied by an English translation, and the joy that comes from recognizing many of the words, or better yet, being able to translate the whole sentence without having to look it up. For instance, reading all the stuff mayqel writes about the Greek deities, accompanied by their English translations so I can follow along, is nothing short of inspiring. Another thing I want is to start translating things into Klingon. Some help isn't bad, but even if I translate the whole thing on my own, I want to make sure I didn't (a) make a syntax error, (b) misuse affixes, or (c) misunderstand the meaning of a word. I already have a particular pop song I'd like to translate in mind. Stay tuned!
On 5/12/2021 3:57 PM, James Landau wrote:
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 07:49:34 +0200 From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com <mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>>
{nuqneH} shouldn't really be used as a greeting by the incoming party. It means "Whaddya want?"
I remember reading that that's what *nuqneH* means, but . . . are there any alternatives for people introducing themselves?
The Klingon way is to start speaking about business. Talking about things other than your business is suspicious to Klingons who don't know you. The language reflects this: it has no words for general greetings. *nuqneH* literally means /Whaddya want?,/ but it has the further connotation of "You haven't followed normal protocol and stated your business. I'm giving you this prod to get back on track. Take the hint before I escalate this into violence."
That said, what do *you* want from this mailing list?
One thing I want is to finally start absorbing more of the Klingon language -- the vocabulary, the affixes and their proper order -- so that I can write and read it. Seeing other people write in it, often accompanied by an English translation, and the joy that comes from recognizing many of the words, or better yet, being able to translate the whole sentence without having to look it up. For instance, reading all the stuff mayqel writes about the Greek deities, accompanied by their English translations so I can follow along, is nothing short of inspiring.
maj. pov qechvam. bIQapjaj!
Another thing I want is to start translating things into Klingon. Some help isn't bad, but even if I translate the whole thing on my own, I want to make sure I didn't (a) make a syntax error, (b) misuse affixes, or (c) misunderstand the meaning of a word.
I already have a particular pop song I'd like to translate in mind. Stay tuned!
Beginners always want to translate things, especially songs and poems, and this is probably one of the hardest things you can do. Translating simple sentences and ideas is one thing. Translating poetry or lyrics that were chosen to be metaphorical, subtle, and pithy is quite another, and even expert Klingon speakers have trouble doing it well. I won't tell you not to translate such things, but I strongly recommend you start on expressing yourself in Klingon rather than trying to translate the expressions of others. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On May 12, 2021, at 3:58 PM, James Landau <savegraduation@yahoo.com> wrote:
but . . . are there any alternatives for people introducing themselves?
The most appropriate “alternative” is just to introduce yourself without unnecessary prelude. Get to the point of the message. Really. There are no generic greetings in Klingon. Learn that early and you’ll be better for it. — ghunchu'wI'
On May 12, 2021, at 3:58 PM, James Landau <savegraduation@yahoo.com> wrote:
but . . . are there any alternatives for people introducing themselves?
As ghunchu'wI' wrote before: there are none, get used to it. Nevertheless... If you really feel the urge to write some kind of greeting, you might want to use some of the following. But you should know they are not true greetings, just literal phrases what they are. {peqIm} - You all pay attention! {HIqIm} - Pay attention to me! {Savan} - I salute you. This is actually a bad suggestion, because {van} is literally "salute", and not "greet". But this even appears in many non-canon Klingon literature, because many athur think this is usable as a greeting. {DaH jIjatlh} - "I speak now" And so on. There is no limit of phrases to catch your opponent's attention; Just remember that these are no greetings. You would not yell such a phrase to someone on the street, unles you really want to start a conversation. See also the page at the Klingon Language Wiki: http://klingon.wiki/En/Hello -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com
I like {naDev jIH} "I am here" or {jIpawpu' / jIpawta'} "I have arrived." -----Original Message----- From: tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of Lieven L. Litaer Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2021 10:40 PM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Introduction and a letter from Marc Okrand On May 12, 2021, at 3:58 PM, James Landau <savegraduation@yahoo.com> wrote:
... There is no limit of phrases to catch your opponent's Attention...
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