February 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon Word of the Day: DabqI'
by qurgh＠wizage.net 18 Feb '17

18 Feb '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, February 18, 2017 Klingon word: DabqI' Part of speech: noun Definition: mud, clay, putty Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: pan
by qurgh＠wizage.net 17 Feb '17

17 Feb '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, February 17, 2017 Klingon word: pan Part of speech: verb Definition: spark, emit sparks Source: Email from ghunchu'wI' to the KLI's email discussion group on 22 August 2011 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: SIrgh
by qurgh＠wizage.net 16 Feb '17

16 Feb '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, February 16, 2017 Klingon word: SIrgh Part of speech: noun Definition: string, thread, filament Source: KGT This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The Doctor Who discussion
by Aurélie Demonchaux 15 Feb '17

15 Feb '17

Sustel: *Doctor Who* mughta’ghachlIj vIlaD ’e’ vItIv J DaH Doctor Who ’ay’ vImugh ’e’ vInIDnIS je! < Hegh Hoch ’e’ Sov Hoch. ’ach Hoch jaj qaSbe’. jajvam qaSbe’. le’ ’op jaj. le’qu’ ’op jaj. ’op jaj Hegh pagh nuv. rut, wa’logh qaStaHvIS poH nI’qu’, wa’ jaj qaStaHvIS wa’ ’uy’ jajmey, DoqtaHvIS bIQtIq bIQ ’ej rItlu’DI’ ghoS Qel, taH Hoch. > jIQaghpu'chugh jIHvaD yIja'. qatlho' ! ~mughwI' 2017-02-12 18:20 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name>: > jum. choQoylaHchugh jIratlhlaH 'e' vIQub. mIw vISovbe'. jIDogh. bIDogh, > Qel qan. bIvemDI' SoS vav je Daghaj 'ej choqawbe'. toH, loQ choqaw. nachlIj > Dabbogh lut jIH. lu'. tagha' lut 'oH Hoch'e'. lut yIQaQmoH. nIvmo', > nIvbejmo': 'IDnar 'aplo' nIHta' maw'bogh loD qan 'ej Haw'ta'. vInIHta' 'e' > qaja'? toH, vIngIpta'; reH vIcheghmoH 'e' vIHech. 'o 'aplo'vetlh, *Amy,* > 'aplo'vetlh Daghom bInajtaHvIS. not Dumej. quq ngoDmeyvam: tIn 'ej mach, > chu'chu' 'ej qanqu'; 'ej SuDchu'ghachDaj SuD law' Hoch SuD puS. 'ej Doch > DIta'bogh, qar'a'? Doch lujallu'bogh. Doch DIta'be'bogh. bInajtaHvIS ratlh > Dochmeyvam. Qel *Amy Pond* je... qaSbe'bogh jajmey je. > > SoQchoH Qarghmey. 'ach SoQlaHbe'chu' latlh Dop vIghoSpa'. DaH naDev jInov. > ratlhbogh qaSHa'ghach vIbuSQo'. qaSqa'ghach vImuS. yIyInchu'. *Rory* > yImuSHa'. *Bye-bye, Pond.* > > On 2/12/2017 10:27 AM, Aurélie Demonchaux wrote: > > Thanks for your help and explanations Sustel ! > > I think I get it now :) > > ~mughwI' > > PS: "TARDIS-blue", I love your choice of example ;) Whovian jIH ! > > > 2017-02-11 18:16 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name>: > >> On 2/11/2017 8:34 AM, Aurélie Demonchaux wrote: >> >> Indeed the lack of tense can be a bit confusing sometimes and it's taking >> me a bit of time getting used to. >> >> I'm still working to figure out also how it works with the verb suffixes. >> >> For example, in the 4 possible sentences below, do I get the exact >> nuances right? >> >> jIvutpu’ ’e’ vIparHa’ >> - I like that I cooked (at some point in the past) >> - I like that I have cooked (just now) >> - I like finishing to cook (maybe implying that this is when I can >> finally eat ;) >> >> >> "At some point in the past" implies past tense, which we know Klingon >> doesn't have. Instead, the *-pu'* tells us that "I cook" is a completed >> action. In English we can't separate tense and aspect, so the distinction >> is difficult for English-speakers to grasp. >> >> >> *jIvutpu' * >> *I cooked; I have cooked; I will have cooked *I perform, performed, or >> will perform an act of cooking, and I now, did, or will complete that act. >> >> The single word in no way tells you whether the action is past, present, >> or future. It means all of them and none of them at the same time, the same >> way that *blue* means sky-blue and navy-blue and TARDIS-blue all at the >> same time. >> >> >> *wa'Hu' jIvutpu' **yesterday I cooked; yesterday I had cooked* >> >> >> *DaH jIvutpu' **right now I have cooked* >> >> >> *wa'leS jIvutpu' **tomorrow I will have cooked* >> >> Contexts like these are required to determine *when* the cooking >> happened. >> >> If you don't use an aspect suffix, you are explicitly talking about an >> action that is not completed (or continuous) in the moment your are >> describing. >> >> >> *jIvut **I cook; **It's true that I cook things* >> >> This also does not specify *when* an action happened, which requires >> context: >> >> >> *wa'Hu' jIvut **I cooked yesterday; it's true that I engaged in cooking >> yesterday* >> >> >> *DaH jIvut **I cook now; at other times I may not have cooked, but it's >> true that I cook now* >> >> >> *wa'leS jIvut **I will cook tomorrow; tomorrow I'll do some cooking* >> >> You can make a similar comparison with the continuous suffixes. >> >> -- >> SuStelhttp://trimboli.name >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> tlhIngan-Hol mailing list >> tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org >> http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > tlhIngan-Hol mailing listtlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.orghttp://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org > > > > -- > SuStelhttp://trimboli.name > > > _______________________________________________ > tlhIngan-Hol mailing list > tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org > http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org > >

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Klingon Word of the Day: qorghwI'
by qurgh＠wizage.net 15 Feb '17

15 Feb '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, February 15, 2017 Klingon word: qorghwI' Part of speech: noun Definition: pacifier Source: qep'a' 23 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something"
by Aurélie Demonchaux 15 Feb '17

15 Feb '17

Hello! I've been wondering, what's the correct way to express liking / disliking an activity? For example, saying: "I like to cook" or "The Vulcan doesn't like to fight" We have some examples of <par> and <parHa'> being used with nouns or pronouns but I can't find any canon source where they apply to verbs. Do you use {'e'} or nothing in those cases? As in: <jIvut vIparHa'> vs <jIvut ’e’ vIparHa'> <Suv par vulqangan> vs <Suv ’e’ par vulqangan> My "feeling" would be to use no ’e’ , similar to the construction with <want> (neH), because 'e' is the equivalent of "that", so using it would mean "I like that I cook" / "The Vulcan doesn't like that he fights", implying that the cooking/fighting is actually happening now, instead of stating "I like cooking in general"/"the Vulcan doesn't like fighting in general" (but I'm not necessarily cooking right now and the Vulcan is not fighting right now either). What do you think?

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing something
by PICHLMANN Christoph 15 Feb '17

15 Feb '17

>Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 09:37:41 -0500 >From: SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> >To: tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org >Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] KLBC - How to say "I like to do/doing > something" >Message-ID: <debde096-2017-be74-2fb2-2e3953435b5a(a)trimboli.name> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > >On 2/14/2017 9:19 AM, Aur?lie Demonchaux wrote: >> Thanks for explaining SuStel - I see where the problem is now. >> >> Yes I'll stick to sentence-as-objects instead in the future or just >> rephrase in some other way. > >Unless there's a good reason to use *-ghach.* There are times when you >will legitimately want to use it to do what it's supposed to do. Don't >shy away from those times. Just remember not to use it when what you're >trying to do is nominalize an unsuffixed verb. > >Try using it from time to time. But be careful when you do. > >-- >SuStel >http://trimboli.name That reminded me of something a character in the Discworld novels said - I've tried to translate it, but I don' think I really succeeded. Here's my attempt: *pab chut* bIHmeH Dachovchu' DabIvpa'. The (paraphrased) quote from Prattchet: "Rules are there so you think before you break them." Christoph

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-bogh with the prefix trick
by David Holt 14 Feb '17

14 Feb '17

How do other speakers on here feel about the prefix trick being used on a verb with {-bogh}? Can I say, {taj munobpu'bogh yaS'e'} for "the officer who gave me the knife"? Can I say, {taj'e' munobpu'bogh yaS} for "the knife which the officer gave me?" Can I say, {mujatlhpu'bogh yaS} for "the officer who spoke to me"? Jeremy

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Klingon Word of the Day: jeD
by qurgh＠wizage.net 14 Feb '17

14 Feb '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, February 14, 2017 Klingon word: jeD Part of speech: verb Definition: be thick Source: KGT This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: roSghaH
by qurgh＠wizage.net 13 Feb '17

13 Feb '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, February 13, 2017 Klingon word: roSghaH Part of speech: noun Definition: DNA (Deoxyribonucleic acid) Source: qep'a' 23 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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