November 2016 - tlhIngan-Hol

gyros with pita
by mayqel qunenoS 18 Nov '16

18 Nov '16

leng QoQ je.. nIm chabHom je.. 'elaDya'nganpu' gyros je ! cha' rep ret, yaHwIjvo' jImejta', 'ej jIghungmo' gyros vIje'nIS. toH, gyros ngevwI' chu'Daq vIjaH. pa', vIpawta'DI' SIbI' jIQuch ! gyros vutmeH coal lo'taH ngevwI'vetlh ! 'ej vutmeH mIwvammo', wejwa' le' Suq gyros. 'elaDya'ngan jIHmo', jIyIntaHvIS vatlh law' gyromey jISopta'. 'ach tlhoy le' DaHjaj ram gyros. qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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boqwI' DImoj maH vIghro'mey je. 'ut !
by mayqel qunenoS 18 Nov '16

18 Nov '16

tagha', qo'vam luche' vIghro'mey.. wa'DIch dogmey Qaw'chu' 'ej ghIq qo'vam luche' ! meqvammo', dogmey DIQaw'meH boqwI' DImoj maH vIghro'mey je. 'utqu' ! 'up dogmey; lam bIH ! qo'vam lulammoHmo', DIQaw'. 'ut ! vIghro' DIvannIS ! DIvanQo'chugh, vaj dogmey HoH, SIbI' nuHIv.. nuvong 'ej ghIq nuQaw' ! 'ach - Do' - poH wIghajmo', nulImmoHbogh pagh meq tu'lu'. 'ach DaH mavangnIS ! SIbI' dog DIlajnISQo', 'ej yuQvamvo' DIDoHmoH. ghIq, nuqeHHa'meH vIghro' DIqoy'. pungchaj wISuqnIS.. mataHmeH pungchaj wIghajnIS ! 'a nom mavangnIS ! DaH mavangQo'chugh vaj tugh paSqu'.. qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Ha'DIbaHvam Doj bongu'laH'a'?
by Ed Bailey 17 Nov '16

17 Nov '16

wa'Hu' 'uQ wISoppu'DI', HaSta jIH wIbejtaH puqbe'wI' jIH je. Ha'DIbaH mut Dajqu' bop much. much wIbejpa', mutvam Sov puqbe'wI', 'a jIHvaD chu'chu'. 'avrI'qa' tIng chan tIng Sep Dab mutvam. Ha'DIbaHvam vIDelchugh, chaq DIvI' Hol pongDaj boloy. cha' mu' ngaS DIvI' Hol pongDaj. pongDaj Hevpu', wutlh QemjIq Dabbogh Ha'DIbaH qu' rurmo' 'ej Su'ghar taS'e' lIngbogh ghewmey maSqu'mo'. taSvam SuqmeH, wej vatlhlogh 'aw'lu'pu'chugh SaHbe'. mutvam vel veD qIj, 'a DopDajDaq veD chIS HeH tu'lu' 'ej tlhoS chIS DubDaj. nenDI', motlh cha' 'uj 'ablaH porghDaj, 'ej chaq wa' 'uj 'ab tlhuQ je. HIvmeH 'ej QemjIq chenmoHmeH, pach HoS ghaj. yavDaq QemjIq chenmoH 'e' DapIH, bImuj. Sor Hap 'echlet Sub veghlaH. chon 'ej qor mutvam. wIjwI'vaD qay'. Du' Ha'DIbaH HIv 'ej HoH 'ej Sop. Su'ghar taS lIngbogh ghewmey mID pol je 'op wIjwI', 'ej mIDmeyvam Qaw' mutvam. qu'chu' mutvam. Hoch Ha'DIbaH HIvqanglaw'. SepvamDaq vIghro''a'mey tu'lu'. 'avrI'qa'Daq magh SepmeyDaq vIghro''a'vam tu'lu' 'ej nItebHa' Ha'DIbaH tInqu' chon. Qobqu', 'a vIghro''a'vam HIvvIpbe'qu' Ha'DIbaH vIDeltaHbogh. valqu' je. Dat 'ellaH 'ej botlaHbe' wIjwI'. vonlu'chugh, latlh Hub Qav ghaj. He'So'qu'bogh betgham ghaylaH. meqmeyvam law'mo' Doj Ha'DIbaHvam. 'a 'amerI'qa' 'ev chan 'evDaq naDev Dabbe'mo' jIQuch. toH, mutvam ngu'laH 'Iv? ~mIp'av

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Ha'DIbaHvam Doj bongu'laH'a'?
by mayqel qunenoS 17 Nov '16

17 Nov '16

QaQ {-chugh} bopbogh De''e', 'ach Ha'DIbaH wIbuS. 'e' 'ut ! qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 17 Nov 2016 9:43 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer(a)uchicago.edu> wrote: Hmm… the inverse happened when these famous lines were translated >From the original Klingon of SeQpIr (cf. TKW p.131): *cheqotlhchugh maHaghbe''a'*? *cheDuQchugh mareghbe''a'*? *cheQIHchugh manoDbe''a'*? Tickle us, do we not laugh? Prick us, do we not bleed? Wrong us, shall we not seek revenge? -- Voragh *On Behalf Of *Alan Anderson *Sent:* Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:13 PM On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler(a)gmail.com> wrote: bong QIn wa'DIch wa' mu' vIlIj. jIjatlhniS: {yavDaq QemjIq chenmoH *neH* 'e' DapIH, bImuj. Sor Hap 'echlet Sub veghlaH.} cha'logh «DapIH» DaghItlhta'. «-chugh» 'ut Hutlhlaw'. Leaving off {-chugh} seems to be a common error among advanced speakers of Klingon. I wonder if there's a linguistic theory that explains this phenomenon. -- ghunchu'wI' _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Klingon Word of the Day: tlhoD
by qurgh＠wizage.net 17 Nov '16

17 Nov '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, November 17, 2016 Klingon word: tlhoD Part of speech: verb Definition: be somewhat obscured, filtered, smudged, fuzzy Source: qep'a' 23 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Nine hours
by mayqel qunenoS 17 Nov '16

17 Nov '16

nIteb jIvummo', yaHwIjDaq vIpawmeH poH vIlo'bogh vIwuq. toH, motlh, Hutlogh Qoylu'pu'DI' yaHwIjDaq vIpaw. 'ach tera' poHvam vIlo'chugh vaj qaStaHvIS chorgh rep neH jIQonglaH. 'ach qen jIHvaD jatlh qunnoH: qunnoH, qoH SoH pagh qoHna' SoH.. yIngu' ! 'ej ghIq jatlhqa': qaStaHvIS DIS law', qaStaHvIS ram Hoch maQonglaHbe'; qaStaHvIS DIS law', maQongtaHvIS, ghumlu'.. toH, DaH, qatlh qaStaHvIS chorgh rep neH maQong ? ..qunnoH vIQoyDI', jInuD'eghchoH; jInuD'eghchoH 'ej wIvmeywIj vInuDchoH. 'ej ngugh vItna' vItlhoj.. lughbej qunnoH ! meqvammo', Hoch jaj wa'maHlogh Qoylu'pu'DI' yaHwIjDaq vIpaw. 'ej DaH, wIvvammo' qaStaHvIS Hut rep jIQonglaH. muSchu'taHghach luqotlh ghum.. 'e' wIQochbe' jIH qunnoH je.. ghum tI'nga' ! hahaha qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Past events {-pu'} and {-DI'}
by mayqel qunenoS 17 Nov '16

17 Nov '16

If I want to write "yesterday as soon as we ate" then I would probably say {wa'Hu' maSoppu'DI'} If I want to write "four days ago as soon as I saw you" then I would probably write {loS Hu' qaleghpu'DI'} If I want to write "four months ago as soon as I hit you" then I would probably say {loS wen qaqIppu'DI'} If the above sentences are correct, then this means that when we talk about a past event which is described by the {-DI'}, then always the {-pu'} is appropriate. Or, to express the same question differently "is there a way for a past event, which is described by the {-DI'} not to be completed, thus not being able to take the {-pu'} ?" qunnoH jan puqloD

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Klingon Word of the Day: tarDIghaD
by qurgh＠wizage.net 16 Nov '16

16 Nov '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, November 16, 2016 Klingon word: tarDIghaD Part of speech: noun Definition: tardigrade Source: qepHom 2015 p.14 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Expressing "must"
by mayqel qunenoS 16 Nov '16

16 Nov '16

Something which during the 14 months I've been on this list, only once someone has mentioned is this: the {-nIS}, expresses "need"; it isn't equivalent with the english "must". if I write {jIQongnIS}, then this means "I need to sleep". I need to sleep because I am exhausted. Similarly {jISopnIS}, is "I need to eat"; I *need* to eat, because I'm starving. But what if I want to express "must" ? The must doesn't necessarily express "need". Mainly it expresses "obligation". Mainly it expresses "necessity". So, I thought that perhaps in order to express the "must", we could use the {'ut}. Example: "because you're a bad cat, I must tickle you" {vIghro' mIgh SoHmo' vIqotlh. 'ut.} However there is a problem. In the above example, while the english sentence describes a necessity to perform an action in the future (near or not so near), the klingon one doesn't. It says "because you're a bad cat I tickle you. it is necessary". So, in order to get the job done, we only need to place a {tugh} in the beginning, or any other appropriate time stamp and we're good to go. Perhaps by the appropriate context, and a well placed {'ut}, or maybe even {potlh}, or maybe even {net pIHbej}, or even better {net poQbej}, or even way better {jIHvaD net poQbej} we can express the "must", without falling into the trap of using {-nIS}. 'ach chaq jImuj. jIQongnISmo' jIQubchu'laHbe'. Do', muloStaH QongDaqwIj tun.. qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

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Can we have the {-be'} twice ?
by mayqel qunenoS 16 Nov '16

16 Nov '16

first go here: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Type3VerbSuffixes there, at the -choH/change examples it says at the third row: {jIghelbe'choHlaHbe'}. so now I ask: can we use the {-be'} twice in the same word ? qunnoH jan puqloD

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