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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] [Tlhingan-hol] Liquid Nitrogen
by Rhona Fenwick 11 Aug '16

11 Aug '16

wa' DoS wIqIp SuStel jIH je. The genitive is not restricted to possession or ownership. My first instinct with "liquid nitrogen" is to render it as {voQSIp betgham} "nitrogen liquid", following the general TKD rendition as "N2 of the N1" (p.31): that is, "liquid of [the] nitrogen". Similarly things like {no'negh SIp} "sulphur gas", {ngIDvoS betgham} "molten lead" (though naturally {ngIDvoS tetlu'pu'bogh} is more literal). Perhaps I'm being influenced by English, where "water ice" is used to speak of frozen water as opposed to frozen methane, carbon dioxide, or so forth, particularly in reports of planetary exploration and such. But {bIQ chuch} feels natural to me for this meaning in Klingon too, and certainly {chuch bIQ} feels entirely wrong. QeS 'utlh

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The punisher
by mayqel qunenoS 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

qal qo'maj net Sov. qal 'ej mIgh.. Hoch jaj, HeSwI'pu'mo', jIvvo'pu'mo', DavHammo' je, qIt ghe''or moj qo'vam. 'ej ghu'vam choHlaHbe'mo' chut, tullaHbe' nuv. Say'choHmeH qo'vam, He'So'Ha'moHmeH qo'vam, marvel's punisher ghajnIS. qo'vamvo' Human veQ teqlaH punisher neH. mop qIj qunnoq Sent from my goat phone

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Klingon Word of the Day: tlhuH
by qurgh＠wizage.net 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, August 10, 2016 Klingon word: tlhuH Part of speech: noun Definition: breath Source: KGT (229 KE, 241 EK, 247 EK, 259 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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noH
by mayqel qunenoS 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

the verb {noH}, means "to judge" as in a. I judge (estimate) that my dog must have eaten seven cats ? or b. don't judge (condemn) others, so that no one will judge (condemn) you too ? or c. I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in order to decide if he's guilty or not ? or d. all of the above ? mop qIj qunnoq

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] noH
by mayqel qunenoS 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

bIlugh lieven ! puch yurvo' puch pIrmuSDaq canon vIve'be'moH.. canon vIpolHa'chugh vaj voragh vIQeHmoH ! toH, ca'non pIn'a' QeH vIjunmeH, canon vIHaDtaH.. mop qIj qunnoq Sent from my goat phone On 10 Aug 2016 3:37 p.m., "Lieven" <levinius(a)gmx.de> wrote: Am 10.08.2016 um 11:30 schrieb mayqel qunenoS: > maj. > > So, how do I say : "I will judge (impartially examine) the accused in > order to decide if he's guilty or not" ? Perhaps by the use of {nuD} ? > Or is {nuD} only to be used in reference to doctors ? Or maybe {poj} > is better ? Or is {poj} only to be used in reference to situations ? > Perhaps {legh} ? Or is {legh} only to be used with reference to > physical objects ? > You are mostly answering your questions yourself. In general, most words we have must be understood literally and cannot be used for english "expression". For instance "see" is what you do with your eyes, even if in englsh one would say things like "that's the girl I've been seeing for two weeks" in the sense of "dating". Or is it even better to flush canon down the toilet, and use whatever > I like most ? > That's the least useful suggestion. If you start using the words only in the way that you understand them, you will begin creating phrases that nobody understands. Just remember the "what will you have" situation in the restaurant. You have learned Klingon basics in a very very fast time, almost as quick as nobody else has learned it, which is ery impressive. But now you have begun reacting like a confused robot who has received too much input which he cannot handle. Slow down, Data, or your circuits will burn due to overload. ;-) Don't skip canon becaus you do not understand it or because it confuses you. Instead, slow down a bit, and read as much of canon, and also secondary literature like Hamlet, Gilgamesh, Tao Te Ching, etc. After some time you will begin to understand the words, and fin other solutions to translate things instead of browsing the dictionary. Actually, there are only very few words which are ambiguous and unclear. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Why do they have whiskers ?
by mayqel qunenoS 10 Aug '16

10 Aug '16

bI'reS, dogmey vIghro'mey chenmoHta' Qun'a'. ghIq bIHvaD lochmey nob ghaH. 'ach qaStaHvIS DIS law', jISIv.. qatlh loch ghaj dogmey vIghro'mey je ? ben law', dog law' ghajta' vavwI'. 'ej vIwoHta'DI' lochchaj vIleghpu'. toH, Hoch dog vIghelta' ; jIjatlh : maqoch, qablIjvo' HuStaH vay' ; DaSov'a' ? 'ej ghIq jIHaghchoH.. 'a mubejtaH dogvetlh, 'ej muroS ! toH -jIQubtaH-, lochDaj vIqotlhchugh vaj qaS nuq ? SIbI', lochDaj vIqotlhta' 'ej poH HochHom chuy' dogvetlh ! hahaha toH, ngoD veb vIHarbej : chuy'laHmeH dogmeyDaq vIghro'meyDaq loch lan Qun'a' ! hahahaha mop qIj qunnoq Sent from my goat phone

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Ha'DIbaHHom
by mayqel qunenoS 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

If I write {Ha'DIbaHHom} will you understand a. little animal in size b. little animal in age or both ? mop qIj qunnoq

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FI: lIy tIn Sang tera' jul
by Steven Boozer 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

vaghHu' lIy tIn Sangpu' julmaj. pelaD: "The Sun Just Vaporized a Large Comet: It went in at over one million miles per hour, and it didn't make it out" http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/news/a22226/sun-vaporized-comet/ -- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Vocabulary learning method
by mayqel qunenoS 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

'op ret jIjatlhta': tlhIngan Hol vIghojbe'chugh vaj jIleSQo'. DaH, jIjatlhqa': tlhIngan Hol naQ (pab mu'tay je) vIghojbe'chugh vaj jIleSQo'. po'wI' vImojbe'chugh vaj jIleSQo' ! 'ej capricorn jIHmo', jIlujbe'bej. tagha' tlhIngan Hol HuD'a' vItoSbej. mop qIj qunnoq Sent from my goat phone On 7 Aug 2016 2:10 p.m., "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: 'ej DaH, ghojmeH mIw vIQubqa'ta'mo', jIwuqta' : tlhIngan Hol vIghItlhtaHvIS, not mu'tay vIleghqa'. not ! mu'mey vIqawmeH jIraD'eghnIS. mop qIj qunnoq Sent from my goat phone On 7 Aug 2016 2:04 p.m., "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > this is written without a dictionary, so if anything appears weird you > know the reason. > > mu'mey veb vIghItlhbe'taH, jInaD'egh vIneHlaw'mo'. vIghItlhtaH, teHbejmo' > bIH. > > Qapbej mIwvam -mIw vIDelta'bogh-. 'IHqu' ! > > cha'logh mu'tay vIlaDta', 'ej wejHa' mu' law' vIqawlaH. > > tlhIngan Hol ghojlu' neHlu'chugh, vaj mu'tay ghojnISbej. yapbe' pab neH. > > mu'tay ghojDI' -poHvetlh neH-, tlhIngan Dop 'IH leghlaH. > > mop qIj qunnoq > Sent from my goat phone > > On 25 Jul 2016 12:05 p.m., "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The human mind has an amazing capacity of understanding and processing >> new information, and it is a fact too that we all learn in different >> ways. However, when the mind encounters new information (in our case >> vocabulary), the following four points could be said in order to >> describe what will happen : >> >> 1. first it will remember the words which it considers important >> 2. then it will remember the words which for some reason it will find >> strange >> 3. then the words which are constantly revised >> 4. when it encounters a new word and forgets it, some time has to pass >> before a second revision of that word takes place, if that revision is >> to be successful. however that time must not be too long. >> >> If someone wants to learn klingon, (or any language real or >> constructed), he has to learn the vocabulary. Learning the grammar, >> and relying on a dictionary just won't cut it (as americans would >> say..). >> >> But here comes the question ; how does one proceed in order to learn >> the vocabulary ? >> >> There are many ways.. >> >> Some people memorize one word at a day, others memorize 10 or 20, some >> try to learn it as they speak or write klingon. >> >> But the problem is that all these methods, take too long. Depending on >> what someone qualifies as a separate word deemed worthy of a separate >> entry in a dictionary, klingon possesses 2000-3000 (give or take a >> few) words. If you proceed, by learning one word at a day you need >> 2000 days just to go through the vocabulary once, let alone revision.. >> If you learn 20 words a day, then again you need 100 - 150 days, >> revision excluded. And won't you miss a day ? >> >> So, in order to get the job done, this is what you need to do : >> >> Open your dictionary and each time read just a single letter. For >> example start with the letter "A". Start reading without trying to >> memorize. You're reading : ".. this word means that, the next word >> means this, the word after is whatever..". >> >> The important thing is not to stress yourself, or fall into the trap >> of trying to "actively memorize". You just breeze through the word >> list of a specific letter (in our example the letter A), and while >> reading you must be trying to stay relaxed. Don't force yourself to >> memorize, and don't pause to ask in your mind "did I learn that >> previous entry ?". >> >> Now, when you finish letter A you will see : >> >> 1. the whole process was easy >> 2. it took only 15-20 minutes >> 3. your mind learned some words which for you are important >> 4. your mind learned additional words which you found strange for >> whatever reason. >> 5. words you were wondering about from the previous revision, now became >> clearer >> 6. and although you didn't realize that you actually learned something >> new, if you try and write, you'll notice that suddenly words crop up >> in your mind out of nowhere. >> >> The beauty of this method is the following : >> >> 1. Even for a letter which has many entries, it doesn't take more than >> 15-20 minutes >> 2. It is easy ; you don't even work up a headache >> 3. It can be repeated twice a day >> >> .. and most importantly : >> >> 4. It goes through the entire vocabulary in a matter of 10 days. Why >> 10 days ? Because some letters have very few entries, thus being able >> to read 2, or more of them at a time. (each "time" considered as a >> period of 15-20 minutes). >> >> With this method, in a month someone is able to process the entire >> vocabulary 2-3 times, which is way faster than any other learning >> method (of the ones we talked about earlier). >> >> So, finally, someone will ask : How long would it take for someone to >> learn ? >> >> Because we're all different, there's no way of accurately predicting ; >> but from personal experience, I will say that after 2-3 months you'll >> be able to write in klingon, without needing to be constantly reaching >> for the dictionary. >> >> Is there a catch (as americans say..) to all this ? >> >> Yes there is.. It is boring as hell, and the more words you learn, the >> more difficult it becomes to overcome the boredom of sitting down and >> going through them again. Also, for this method to work, you need to >> be writing/using klingon daily, for your mind to *feel*, that the >> words it processes are indeed important. >> >> But as with everything in life, it all comes down to a simple question : >> >> How bad do you want it ? >> >> mop Hurgh >> >

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Morannon
by mayqel qunenoS 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

*morannon*.. lojmIt'a' qIj.. *cirith gorgor* lu'av *mordor* Ho'Du'. *cirith gorgor* 'oH 'elmeH lojmIt'e' mIgh. jagh Sep lojmIt'a'. vay' rItbe'ta'chugh *sauron* vaj *mordor* Ho'Du' 'ellaHbe' ghaH vabDot lojmIt'a'mey poSmoHlaHbogh chaw' ngoq'e' luSovbe'bogh nuv. nuvvam jIv chopbej *mordor* Ho'Du'. mop qIj qunnoq

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