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Klingonisch für Einsteiger
by Lieven 15 Jun '17

15 Jun '17

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What is a sentence?
by SuStel 10 Jun '17

10 Jun '17

I was thinking back to a previous argument about whether a sentence-as-object construction can itself be considered a "sentence" for when a rule in Klingon works on sentences. I went through some old text by Okrand and found this message: (1) You suggested translating "Do you think it's possible for a Klingon to feel love for a Ferengi?" as: verenganvaD bang HotmeH tlhIngan qIt 'e' DaQub'a'? The end of the sentence is fine. The correct way to say "Do you think that...?" is ... 'e' DaQub'a'? ('e' is "that," referring to something that precedes it in the sentence or in the discussion; DaQub'a' is "do you think it?"). http://klingonska.org/canon/search/?file=1996-12-12b-news.txt&q=sentence *'e' DaQub'a'* is here referred to by Okrand as "the end of the sentence," and *'e'* refers to "something that precedes it in the sentence or in the discussion." We know *'e'* refers to the previous "sentence" of the construction, so the "sentence" that Okrand is referring to must be the entire construction. Okrand later refers to the entire construction as a sentence again. In another post, Okrand gave the sentence *tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh 'e' vISIv* /I wonder if you speak Klingon./ He goes on to say In English, this means something like "I'm surprised that you speak Klingon" or "I don't understand how it can be that you speak Klingon," but this is not what the Klingon sentence means. The Klingon sentence means something more like "I am curious about whether you speak Klingon." http://klingonska.org/canon/search/?file=1997-07-01-news.txt&q=sentence Again, he has called the entire thing a sentence. He then refers to "such sentences": "One other verb that can be used in the V slot in such sentences is Hon 'doubt'" (the "V slot" is the second sentence). Then he goes whole hog and talks about sentences within sentences: "I'll return on another occasion to the question of whether the sentence preceding the 'e' in such sentences can be a question." I haven't done a complete search, but I feel pretty confident that we can think of SAOs as sentences. They are "complex sentences," as named in the parent section of SAOs in TKD. Exactly how complicated the second sub-sentence is supposed to be and the exact placement of adverbials and dependent clauses might still be imperfectly resolved, of course. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The Second Coming
by nIqolay Q 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer(a)uchicago.edu> wrote: > Those lines from the paq’batlh are: > > wa'DIch Hegh moratlh > wej SuvwI' SuvtaHvIS > mongDaj DuQlu' 'ej Hegh > ghIq Hegh qanjIt > qeylIS retlhDaq Suv > wa' jagh HoHta' HeghtaHvIS > > First, Morath fell … > > [remainder of translation wanting (PB p148f.)] > *First, Morath fell,* *Fighting three men at once,* *A fatal wound in his neck killed him.* *Then, Kanjit fell,* *Fighting at Kahless's side,* *Killing one enemy while he fell.* (paq'raD, canto 17, lines 16-21, p148) > and the sequence: > > wa'DIch nach 'ay' > cha'DIch ghIv 'ay' > wejDIch burgh 'ay' > loSDIch bIng 'ay' > vaghDIch Dung 'ay' > tagha' tIq Hoch botlh > Hochlogh Dat joqtaHjaj > > [translation wanting (PB)] > This is a bit of ritualized and vaguely mystical poetry where Kahless does the forms of the mok'bara with his father to bring him back from the dead. *First Nach, the form of the head.* *Then Ghiv, the form of the legs and arms.* *Then Burgh, the form of the stomach.* *Then Bing, the form of the space above and below. * *Then Dung, the space beside.* *And finally Tiq, the heart and center of all things,* *May it forever beat, anywhere.* (paq'raD, canto 3, lines 10-16, p102) (Note that the English doesn't quite get the meaning of Klingon positional nouns.)

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The Second Coming
by nIqolay Q 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

I have attempted a translation of another classical poem. This time, it's "The Second Coming", by William Butler Yeats. The version of the poem I used can be found here: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/43290 cha'DIch ghoS [1] Sachbogh ghoDaq tlhe'taHqu' 'oH. wamwI' QoylaHbe' wammeH bo'Degh. Sab Dochmey. ngaDlaHbe'taH botlh. qo'Daq chutmey Hutlhbogh nugh'e' 'uchHa'lu'. bIQ'a''e' HurghmoHbogh 'Iw 'uchHa'lu' 'ej Dat chuntaHghach tay SoD bIQ'a'. pagh Har nIvqu'wI'pu' 'ach pe'vIl nongqu' QIvqu'wI'pu'. tugh vay' 'anglu'bej. tugh cha'DIch ghoSbej. cha'DIch ghoS! mu'meyvetlh vIjatlhpu'DI' SIbI' mInDu'wIj Suj mIllogh'a''e' Delbogh qo' qa'. Deb voghDaq QIt 'uSDu'Daj vIHmoH vIghro''a' porgh loD nach je ghajbogh tu'qom. pagh lu'agh mInDu'Daj 'ej vupbe' bIH. jul lurur. Dechbogh retlhDajDaq jIr Deb bo'Deghmey QeH QIbmey. pumqa' QIb 'ach cha'SaD DIS poH QongwI' let najHa'moHpu' Qombogh ghu QongDaq DaH 'e' vISov. [2] 'ej tagha' repDaj lop Ha'DIbaH naQbe' 'ej boghmeH betle'HemDaq yItlI'. [3] [1] I'm basing this on the controversial canon from the SkyBox card where {wa'DIch} was used as an adverbial for "the first time". I wanted to keep the idea of "second" in the translation, because of the religious connotations of the "second coming", so I didn't use {ghoSqa'}. I didn't use something like {ghoSpu'ghach cha'DIch} since I wanted to avoid {-ghach} as much as possible (though I still ended up using it elsewhere). {cha'logh ghoS} suggests both comings, not just the second one. So I'm rolling the dice on the adverbial {-DIch}. [2] {Qom} isn't the right word here, but earthquakes at least fit the apocalyptic tone, and there's not much else to use. Maybe one of the airplane movement verbs? [3] I would appreciate any suggestions on how to better translate "slouch". {yIt} just doesn't seem to cut it.

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jIchov neH
by Steven Boozer 06 Jun '17

06 Jun '17

qastaHvIs cha jaj pagh QIn vIHevbe'taH. -- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons

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Klingon Word of the Day: qeQ
by qurgh＠wizage.net 04 Jun '17

04 Jun '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, June 04, 2017 Klingon word: qeQ Part of speech: noun Definition: fecal matter Source: qep'a' 23 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: bIraSIw
by qurgh＠wizage.net 03 Jun '17

03 Jun '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, June 03, 2017 Klingon word: bIraSIw Part of speech: noun Definition: Brazil Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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le'yo' pun
by SuStel 03 Jun '17

03 Jun '17

I can't find any mention of this pun in my archives. The word *le'yo' */pride/ has come up on Facebook, and I noticed the pun. *le'yo'* resembles /Leo. /Leo is a lion. A pride of lions. Pride. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name

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Klingon Word of the Day: 'eyawaDIy
by qurgh＠wizage.net 02 Jun '17

02 Jun '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, June 02, 2017 Klingon word: 'eyawaDIy Part of speech: noun Definition: Irrawaddy (River in Burma/Myanmar) Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Rising Heroes Video
by Juliana Bukoski 01 Jun '17

01 Jun '17

For Nerd Fitness Rising Heroes, a real life RPG sort of thing I'm doing online, one of the tasks this week is to record a short video to send to my squad-mates about the progress I am making towards one of my goals. Since that goal is learning Klingon, I thought it would be appropriate to make some of the video in Klingon. They won't understand it, but I'd like it to be accurate nonetheless, so I was hoping someone could look at this and let me know if there are any errors: tlhIngan Hol vIHaD. cha' ngoQ vIghaj. wa'DIch: Hol patlh ghojwI' vIchav vIneH. patlhvam chavlu'meH, qep'a'Daq qaD tu'lu'. 'op mu'tlhegh mughnISlu'. qaDvamvaD jIqeqmeH, 'echletHomDaq mu'tay' vISovnISbogh jIghItlhpu'. jIyIttaHvIS vIHaD. pab vIHaDmeH, mu'ghom tlhIngan vIlaDqa' 'ej paq latlh, "From the Grammarian's Desk", vIlaDchoHpu'. tlhIngan Hol jIQoyDI', vIyajlaH vIneH. ngoQ cha'DIch 'oH. ngoQvam Qatlh law' ngoQwIj wa'DIch Qatlh puS. wa' ben, mu' law' vISov, 'ach jIHvaD jatlhchugh vay', vIyajlaHbe'. vaj, teSDu'wIj vIqeqnIS. qon puS vIghaj. qonDaq, tlhIngan Hol jatlh po'wI'pu'. vI'Ij 'ej mu'mey jatlhbogh vIghItlh 'e' vInID. bom tlhIngan vI'Ij je. jupwI', DaH peja'. ngoQraj bochav'a'? tlhIngan vIttlheghvam yIqaw: bIQapqu'meH, tar DaSop 'e' DatIvnIS. Intended translation is: "I am studying Klingon. I have two goals. First: I want to achieve the ghojwI' rank. To achieve this rank, there is a challenge at the qep'a'. One must translate some sentences. In order to train for this challenge, I have written the vocabulary I need to know on cards. I study them while I am walking. In order to study grammar, I am rereading The Klingon Dictionary and I have started reading another book, "From the Grammarian's Desk." "When I hear Klingon, I want to be able to understand it. It is my second goal. This goal is more difficult than my first goal. Last year, I knew many words, but if someone spoke to me, I could not understand them. Thus, I need to train my ears. I have several recordings. In the recordings, experts speak Klingon. I listen and try to write the words they say. I also listen to Klingon songs. "Friends, now you report. Are you achieving your goals? Remember the Klingon proverb: To really succeed, you must enjoy eating poison. " Juliana

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