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Klingon Word of the Day: vay
by Klingon Word of the Day 29 Jul '17

29 Jul '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, July 29, 2017 Klingon word: vay Part of speech: verb Definition: fight, battle (midlevel ferocity) Source: KGT This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] My list of 19 new words revisited
by Jesse Manoogian 28 Jul '17

28 Jul '17

Thanks for the welcome back! Steven Boozer wrote: >1. For glasses we already have a word from ?TalkNow! Klingon? (TNK): {mIn QanwI' nguv} >?sunglasses? (i.e., ?dark eye protectors?) ? which implies {mIn QanwI'} for regular eyeglasses. If >you really want to be specific, you could say {mIn QanwI? Dem} ?uncolored glasses? using the new >verb {Dem} ?be clear, transparent, uncolored? from qepHom 2016. OK, cool. I knew the word "mIn QanwI' nguv", but I didn't imagine it could be turned into a word for vision-correcting glasses. >2. For tank top, don?t forget {yIvbeH}: > >(KGT 57f.): the traditional warrior's tunic ({yIvbeH}) was made of a material (what it was is now >unknown) resistant to puncture, just to add a little protection. Accompanying sleeves ({tlhaymey}), >originally not parts of the tunic itself, were generally made of animal pelts ({veDDIrmey}) ? (In >modern usage, the word {yIvbeH} in most places means any shirt, with or without sleeves.) >(KGT 29f.): In the Vospeg ({voSpegh}) region, on the other hand, {yIvbeH} refers only to a >sleeveless shirt (thus retaining much of the word's original meaning, a sleeveless protective garment >worn by warriors), {wep} means a shirt with sleeves, and any jacket or coat is a {cheSvel}, a word >that elsewhere refers to a specific style of coat associated with, not surprisingly, the Vospeg region. Thanks for this information. I don't own a copy of _Klingon for the Galactic Traveler_. I didn't know what a yIvbeH *was* exactly. >3. For teenagers and adolescents ? as you know from KGT we have: > >nen growth, maturation (n) >nen be mature, be grown-up, be adult (v) >nenchoH mature, grow up (v) > >*{nenHa?} would be a good way to refer to someone immature, not grown-up; in other words, an >adolescent or teenager. That being said, Okrand - or is it Maltz? - usually refers to them as >?younger Klingons?, ?younger people?, ?younger speakers?, ?the younger generation?, etc. E.g. > >(KGT 138): the characteristic patterns of younger people's speech, if noticed and commented upon, >are more likely to be judged sloppy or careless rather than wrong. > >(KGT 141): Despite this debatable advantage, and despite the slow but ongoing spread of the >practice among younger speakers, most Klingons still consider the ambiguous use of {yI-} an error. > >So {tlhInganpu? Qan}, {nuv Qan}, {jatlhwI?pu? Qan}, {puq poH Qan}, etc. Qan? The word for "to protect"? I can't seem to find information on how to translate comparatives when there is no stanfard. There are "law'" and "puS" for constructions like "pal Qup law' pIyta Qup puS" for "Paul is younger than Peter", but how would one say "younger generation"?

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Klingon Word of the Day: rID
by Klingon Word of the Day 28 Jul '17

28 Jul '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, July 28, 2017 Klingon word: rID Part of speech: verb Definition: digest (the process food goes through) Source: qep'a' 23 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] My list of 19 new words revisited
by Jesse Manoogian 28 Jul '17

28 Jul '17

SuStel wrote: >> be blonde: SuD (be yellow) works fine > >I would accept a phrase like *jIb SuD, *but not *Human SuD.* In English >a person can be blond, but Klingon *SuD* isn't specifically for >describing hair color, so *Human SuD* would be like saying /yellow >human/ in English. > >By the way, *SuD* means /be blue, green, yellow,/ not just /be yellow. >/By describing hair as *SuD,* you're also describing people who dye >their hair those colors (or maybe aliens with green or blue hair). This >is fine, but if you ever want to make a distinction between the yellow >sort of *SuD* and the blue or green sorts of *SuD,* you'll want to say >*SuD 'ej wov*/*SuD* and light, yellow./ *SuD jIb 'ej wov*/the hair is >yellow;/*SuDbogh jIb 'ej wovbogh / SuDbogh 'ej wovbogh jIb*/hair which >is yellow./ Hmmmm, I wasn't even thinking about saying "blonde /person/". I like "SuDbogh 'ej wovbogh jIb" (I just reviewed the use of -bogh). >> be straight (of hair): beQ (be flat) > >We have the word *wan* which means /be straight./ I don't see why this >can't be applied to hair. Maybe it could! I know in Spanish straight hair is "liso", so I figured a lot of languages would have different words for those two meanings of "straight". >> be curly: gho rur (resemble a circle) > >If someone said *gho rur jIbDaj*/his hair resembles a circle,/ I >wouldn't understand. I don't have a good alternative, though. I was hoping for a phrase meaning "round hair", but I couldn't find out how to say "be round" in Klingon. >I would consider *SuD 'ej wovbe'* to be blue. Hazel, the color, is light >golden brown. /Brown/ is *Doq 'ej wovbe'* (so how to say /light brown/ >is unclear to me... maybe *Doq 'ej loQ wovbe'*?).//The color /gold/ is a >sort of yellow-orange, which would be somewhere between *Doq* and *SuD >'ej wov.* Hazel eyes shift between brown and light gold, sometimes with >blue in them. There's no way you're going to get Klingon colors to >describe them simply. Klingon color terms can sure get unwieldy! Its color division is pretty unusual by Terran standards. Although a lot of human languages merge their words for blue and green, I've never seen a language that combines blue, green AND yellow before. There are a lot of fascinating questions that can be asked about Klingon vision (like "Do Klingons see ultraviolet light?" or "Do any Klingons have achromatopsia?") when you have an advanced civilization with so few basic color terms. >> freckles: DIrvemmey (skin-mark-PL) > >*vem* seems to me to be tracks or marks left behind by something making >them, not naturally occurring features. I don't have an alternative. I was hoping for a Klingon word for "spot", but couldn't find one nor anything like it. This (freckle/spot) would be a good one for our wish list for Dr. Okrand. > glasses: mIn'al'onmey (eye-glass-PL) >I would figure that out, but I highly doubt that would be the real term. >Maybe *mIn laH tI'wI'* or something similar. "mIn laH" is a GREAT construction! I was puzzling over how to say sight/vision (all I could find was the verb "to sight" "puS" in this war-heavy-vocabulary language). >> braces: Ho'baS (tooth-metal -- it's singular -- as I understand, they >> say the singular "brace" in British English, so this has precedent) > >I would understand this, but as with glasses I don't know if this would >be the way to say it. I would imagine *Ho' wanmoHwI' *or *Ho' wanmoHmeH >baS* or something like that. That's even better. "Ho'baS" could also mean "amalgams" or "gold teeth" (although "qol'om Ho'Du'" would be a good translation of gold teeth). >In Klingon, in most cases, all nouns are inherently both singular and >plural. That is, if I say the word *Ho'* it means both /tooth/ and >/teeth./ Context or grammar may make it explicit, but you can't just >take the word *Ho'* and force people to interpret it as singular. Oh, I'm fine with the gloss teeth-metal for "Ho'baS". I wasn't implying that the "Ho'" part had to be singular. I know that the non-head parts of compounds don't need a plural ending, but we do have -mey and -Du' and -pu' so I figured that pluralizable nouns (used as nouns) had to have their pluralness marked. > polo shirt: wep yor poSmoH ([sleeved] shirt with open top) > >This says /jacket it causes the top to open./ Notice that *wep* is a >regional-only term for /sleeved shirt;/ outside of whichever region on >Kronos it means that people will assume you're talking about a jacket. >There is no standard term for /shirt, /but there is a description of a >t-shirt, which is *yIvbeH SeQHa'*/informal tunic./ Now, a polo shirt >isn't as informal as a t-shirt, but it's not exactly a tunic either. Its >defining characteristics are that it is short-sleeved, heavier than a >t-shirt, and has a collar. Given all that, I might compromise with >*mongDech ghajbogh yIvbeH SeQHa'.* Not perfect, but that's what you get >trying to translate between cultures. "Collar-having informal tunic"? Works for me. > tank top: be'nalmoqwI' (a calque of the English wifebeater) > >NONONONONO! Ugh! The term is bad enough in English without porting it to >Klingon. > >Just say *tlhay ghajbe'bogh yIvbeH*/tunic without sleeves./ You really dislike the English term "wifebeater", don't you? :) "Sleeve-lacking tunic" sounds nice, though . . . but don't ALL yIvbeHmey lack sleeves? >> skateboard: rutlh'echlet (wheel-board) > >I'd get it. It seems so perfect . . . >> guitar: javHurDagh (six + stringed instrument) > >I wouldn't get it. If you don't want to approximate by just saying >*HurDagh,* be explicit and say *jav SIrgh ghajbogh HurDagh.* Or use a >foreign term and say /guitar./ Or "ghI'tar". >> bass: javHurDagh jaQ (deep guitar) > >I don't think *jaQ* means that kind of /deep./ What word would one use for a deep sound? 'eS? >> be teenage, be adolescent: nenchoH (become adult) > >Your translation of *nenchoH *as /become adult/ is correct, but /become >adult/ doesn't mean /be teenage; be adolescent./ *nenbe'* /not mature;/ >*nenHa'*/immature;/*wej nen*/not yet mature./ I don't have any simple >translation for /teenage/ that isn't literally just /more than twelve, >less than twenty./ > >> teen, adolescent, youth, young adult: nuv nenchoH (person becoming adult) > >*nuv nenchoH* is a nonsensical phrase saying /he/she/it becomes mature, >person./ If you want to say /the //person is becoming an adult,/ say >*nenchoH nuv.* If you want /the person who is becoming an adult, /say >*nenchoHbogh nuv.* ::Makes a note to himself to research -bogh more::. Could "nenbogh nuv" mean the noun "adult"?

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] My list of 19 new words revisited
by Jesse Manoogian 28 Jul '17

28 Jul '17

SuStel wrote: >I've seen *ghep* used as "age", backformated from the canon words *peHghep* >"Age of Inclusion" and *nenghep* "Age of Ascension". Wouldn't this be "age" in the sense of era, rather than the count of years since a person's birth, though?

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My list of 19 new words revisited
by Jesse Manoogian 28 Jul '17

28 Jul '17

Hi, guys. It's Andrew again. Back at the end of 2015, I appeared on this mailing list with a list of 19 words missing in Klingon. Upon your encouragement I came up with equivalents for most of them using the existent roots, but now I see that many of my conceptions on how Klingon agglutination worked were wrong. Well, I've been reading up on tlhIngan Hol -- learning more about the vocabulary, the affixes, and the rules of morphology, and I think I've got acceptable compounds and workarounds for all the words on my list now. Have a gander. be blonde: SuD (be yellow) works fine be straight (of hair): beQ (be flat) be curly: gho rur (resemble a circle) be wavy: yu'eghmey rur (resemble waves) be bald: jIb ghajbe' (to not have hair) be hazel: SuD 'ej wovbe' (be yellow/green and non-bright -- I thought "SuD 'ej Doq 'ej wovbe'" was too unwieldy) freckles: DIrvemmey (skin-mark-PL) wrinkle: bentlhegh (age-line) glasses: mIn'al'onmey (eye-glass-PL) braces: Ho'baS (tooth-metal -- it's singular -- as I understand, they say the singular "brace" in British English, so this has precedent) tattoo: DIrmIllogh (skin-picture) jeans: yopwaH ghegh (rough pants) -- and I also notice "yopwaH buq" for "pants pouch; trouser pocket" -- how about buq yopwaH for cargo pants? polo shirt: wep yor poSmoH ([sleeved] shirt with open top) tank top: be'nalmoqwI' (a calque of the English wifebeater) headphones: nachQoywI' (head-hearer . . . a calque from the German Kopfhörer) skateboard: rutlh'echlet (wheel-board) guitar: javHurDagh (six + stringed instrument) bass: javHurDagh jaQ (deep guitar) be teenage, be adolescent: nenchoH (become adult) teen, adolescent, youth, young adult: nuv nenchoH (person becoming adult) pItlh!

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] My list of 19 new words revisited
by Jesse Manoogian 28 Jul '17

28 Jul '17

André M?ller wrote: >I remember last time, some people were a bit harsh that time. But it's good >to see you back and I must say your list of words is really well thought >through. Most of the words will probably be readily understandable for most >Klingonists, except for perhaps "wifebeater". It's (I think) an English >slang term that wouldn't be literally understandable by non-English >speakers. Most will understand a person who beats their wife. I was really stumped by how to translate "tank top". If I had had a copy of _Klingon for the Galactic Traveler_ I might have known about the yIvbeH. But maybe we don't need the level of specificity in Klingon that we have in every English domain. After all, in Klingon "crocodile" and "alligator" are the same word, and in Indonesian people normally use a word meaning "citrus" for all citrus fruit. Then we have the Algonquian languages (I'm thinking specifically of one Algonquian language beginning with M) in which one word is used for all upper-body garments: dress shirt, T-shirt, jacket, tank top, turtleneck, etc. >Also note that it is somewhat of an unwritten custom to not write compound >words as one word if it's not a word from Okrandian canon. So, better use a >space, like {DIr vemmey}, (lit. 'marks of the skin'). But it's not a big >mistake or anything. I was not aware of this. OK, I'll use "DIr vemmey" and "rutlh 'echlet" and so on.

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] My list of 19 new words revisited
by Jesse Manoogian 28 Jul '17

28 Jul '17

Steven Boozer wrote: >FWIW we now have the noun {Su'nIm} ?raised profile, ridges, pattern (as in fingerprints, tires, shoe >tread)? from qepHom 2015. Okrand affirmed at qepHom 2009 that a single forehead ridge is a >{vIlHom}. > >To describe foreheads {QuchDu?} we use {vIl} ?be ridgy? vs. {Hab} ?be smooth?. Before {vIl} some >of us used {ghegh} ?be rough? or {tlher} ?be lumpy? (associated with food in KGT) to describe >foreheads, so I suppose these are available. > >If I saw *{qab vIl / ghegh / tlher} though, I would immediate think of those latex prosthetics that Trek >actors wear on their faces when playing aliens. <g> "Su'nIm" could be a good word for wrinkle. I'm surprised, though, that it took until 2009 for Klingon to have a word for something as quintessentially defining of Klingons as forehead ridges. There is the SF narratology term "rubber-forehead alien" for instance. Rubber-Forehead Aliens - TV Tropes

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qep'a' yIvbeHmey
by Lieven 27 Jul '17

27 Jul '17

peqIm! qep'a'Daq bIjeSchugh, vaj yIvbeH mIlloghmey boqon 'e' vItlhob. Do'Ha', tlhIngan Hol wIqI'Daq Hutlh 'op: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/QepaTShirts -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher

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Klingon Word of the Day: ghItlhwI'
by Klingon Word of the Day 27 Jul '17

27 Jul '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, July 27, 2017 Klingon word: ghItlhwI' Part of speech: noun Definition: stylus, writing implement, person who writes Source: KGT:p79 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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