Often, I come across the need to say the word "ridiculous", but unfortunately this word doesn't exist in klingon. The only word we have is {nuS} (v) "to ridicule". Is it possible, through the use of suffixes or by any other way, to produce the word "ridiculous", from {nuS} ? qunnoq
What's wrong with {Dogh} or {Doghqu'}? Remember: a thesaurus is the translator's second-best friend. If you absolutely need to use something with {nuS}, "ridiculous" literally means "deserving of ridicule". (A dictionary is the translator's third-best friend.) So you can try something like {nuSlu' 'e' qotlh X} "X deserves to be ridiculed", or {X nuSnISlu'bogh} "X which needs to be ridiculed". On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 9:17 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Often, I come across the need to say the word "ridiculous", but unfortunately this word doesn't exist in klingon.
The only word we have is {nuS} (v) "to ridicule". Is it possible, through the use of suffixes or by any other way, to produce the word "ridiculous", from {nuS} ?
qunnoq
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On 8/24/2017 9:17 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Often, I come across the need to say the word "ridiculous", but unfortunately this word doesn't exist in klingon.
The only word we have is {nuS} (v) "to ridicule". Is it possible, through the use of suffixes or by any other way, to produce the word "ridiculous", from {nuS} ?
I would be more likely to invoke *Dogh* or *lI'be'* or something like that. I suppose you could say something like *DujlIj vInuS*/I ridicule your ship,/ but why are you informing the listener about your ridicule rather than actually doing the ridiculing? My wife uses the word /ridiculous/ so vaguely and frequently that I can never tell whether she's saying something is good or bad. "That price was ridiculous!" is something she might say, and I can't tell if she means the thing was surprisingly cheap or insanely expensive. Exactly what meaning of /ridiculous/ are you looking for? Use it in context. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Am 24.08.2017 um 15:36 schrieb SuStel:
I would be more likely to invoke *Dogh* or *lI'be'* or something like that.
Actually, I recently had a translation request which had exactly that problem, but none of the alternatives made sense. "Our concept is so simple, it's ridiculous" Dogh? - no, it's not silly. lI'be'? - no, certainly not useless. 'oH nuSlu'? - I dont want to ridicule it either... After all, I realized that the expression "it's ridiculous" is sometimes used just as an idiom meaning like "I just can believe it" or "That's incredible".
never tell whether she's saying something is good or bad. "That price was ridiculous!" is something she might say, and I can't tell if she means the thing was surprisingly cheap or insanely expensive.
That's what I mean. She does not want to {nuS} the price. In that context, I would say something like {HarlaHbe' vay'} etc. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
It doesn’t answer your question about {nuS} – I’ll let someone else do that -- but whenever you need a word and can’t find an exact match, look for a similar one. That’s why I add a “See Also” list of related words when I respond to the Word of the Day posts. Synonyms for “ridicule [someone]” include {vaq} “mock, taunt”, {tIch} “insult”, {ghong} “abuse”, {quvHa'moH} “dishonor”, {maw} “offend”, {tuHmoH} “shame”. For “be ridiculous” there’s {QIp} “be stupid”, {maw'} “be crazy” or, better yet, {Dogh(qu’)} “be (very) foolish/silly”: Dogh; tIghla' rur foolish as a *t'gla* (KGT) jIDoghqu' vIghIjlu’mo' 'ej bortaS vIneHmo' jIleghlaHbe' 'ach chovuvtaH What a fool I have been, blinded by fear and spite, and still you find me worthy. (PB) Dogh ghaH 'e' Sov moratlh Morath knows he has been a fool (PB) matlhHa'lu'chugh vaj Doghlu' 'e' yaymeH molor [translation unavailable] (PB p.173) … or look for the opposite idea, perhaps *{SaghHa’} “be un-serious”. … or another part of speech. E.g. the noun {qoH} “fool, idiot”. E.g. the saying {qoH vuvbe' SuS} “The wind does not respect a fool.” … or use an idiom: (KGT 122): The idiomatic expression {ghaH vuv SuS neH} (“he/she wants the wind to respect him/her”) comes from the same story; it is used to mean “He/she is foolish” or “He/she is a fool”. For example, one might answer the question {qatlh betleHDaj tlhapbe'?} (“Why doesn't he take his bat'leth?") by saying {ghaH vuv SuS neH} (“He wants the wind to respect him”--that is, “He's a fool”. The expression can be modified to apply to different persons or situations: {muvuvpu' SuS vIneH} (“I wanted the wind to respect me”--in other words, “I acted like a fool”); {bImaw''a'? Duvuv SuS DaneH'a'?} (“Are you crazy? Do you want the wind to respect you?"--that is, “What's with you? Are you an idiot?”). --Voragh On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS Often, I come across the need to say the word "ridiculous", but unfortunately this word doesn't exist in klingon. The only word we have is {nuS} (v) "to ridicule". Is it possible, through the use of suffixes or by any other way, to produce the word "ridiculous", from {nuS} ? qunnoq
On 8/24/2017 9:59 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:
matlhHa'lu'chugh vaj Doghlu' 'e' yaymeH molor [translation unavailable] (PB p.173)
*matlhHa'lu'chugh vaj Doghlu' 'e' yajmeH molor 'ej batlh vangchoHmeH molor* /So that one day Molor will see The folly of his treacherous ways, And embrace the ways of honor./ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Check out the pages near the end of this year's new words: https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/qepa-chamah-losdich/qepa-chamah-losdic... There's a whole section on how to say "That's stupid" as in "that's ridiculous". qurgh On Aug 24, 2017 9:17 AM, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote: Often, I come across the need to say the word "ridiculous", but unfortunately this word doesn't exist in klingon. The only word we have is {nuS} (v) "to ridicule". Is it possible, through the use of suffixes or by any other way, to produce the word "ridiculous", from {nuS} ? qunnoq _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Am 24.08.2017 um 16:39 schrieb qurgh lungqIj:
There's a whole section on how to say "That's stupid" as in "that's ridiculous".
I checked that one and noticed that not everything you my call ridiculous really is also silly. Silly has a negative connotation, but there are ridiculous things that are still very good. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher http://www.klingonwiki.net
On Aug 24, 2017 10:44 AM, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote: Am 24.08.2017 um 16:39 schrieb qurgh lungqIj:
There's a whole section on how to say "That's stupid" as in "that's ridiculous".
I checked that one and noticed that not everything you my call ridiculous really is also silly. Silly has a negative connotation, but there are ridiculous things that are still very good. Ridiculous has as much a negative connotation as silly does. There are good silly things (that's a silly little song I love) and bad ridiculous things (it's ridiculous that they made us wait in that 100 degree room for 5 hours, someone almost died!). The text does explain how to tell someone one's opinion on what they just said though. That's pretty much what using "ridiculous" as an exclamation is doing. Without any more context from qunnoq I don't know if he wants to use it as an adjective or in as an exclamation like this: I ate 20 pies! That's ridiculous/stupid/silly/nonsense/etc All those can be covered by {Dap} and/or {chatlh}. qurgh
qurgh:
That's pretty much what using "ridiculous" as an exclamation > is doing. Without any more context from qunnoq I don't know > if he wants to use it as an adjective or in as an exclamation like this: I ate 20 pies! That's ridiculous/stupid/silly/nonsense/etc
To confess my sin, the need to say "that's ridiculous", always arises, when I need to reply to someone who says "don't ask for that word ! klingons would never use it". In times like these, I feel the need to say "that's (your argument) is ridiculous". qunnoq On Aug 24, 2017 6:05 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
On Aug 24, 2017 10:44 AM, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 24.08.2017 um 16:39 schrieb qurgh lungqIj:
There's a whole section on how to say "That's stupid" as in "that's ridiculous".
I checked that one and noticed that not everything you my call ridiculous really is also silly. Silly has a negative connotation, but there are ridiculous things that are still very good.
Ridiculous has as much a negative connotation as silly does. There are good silly things (that's a silly little song I love) and bad ridiculous things (it's ridiculous that they made us wait in that 100 degree room for 5 hours, someone almost died!).
The text does explain how to tell someone one's opinion on what they just said though. That's pretty much what using "ridiculous" as an exclamation is doing. Without any more context from qunnoq I don't know if he wants to use it as an adjective or in as an exclamation like this:
I ate 20 pies! That's ridiculous/stupid/silly/nonsense/etc
All those can be covered by {Dap} and/or {chatlh}.
qurgh
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On Aug 25, 2017 05:51, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote: To confess my sin, the need to say "that's ridiculous", always arises, when I need to reply to someone who says "don't ask for that word ! klingons would never use it". In times like these, I feel the need to say "that's (your argument) is ridiculous". notlh tonSaw'lIj. -- De'vID
On Friday, 25 August 2017 09:21:41 BST De'vID wrote:
In times like these, I feel the need to say "that's (your argument) is ridiculous".
notlh tonSaw'lIj.
Can {tonSaw'} be used as a general-purpose word for any kind of technique/ argument? I have it listed only as a name of a specific fighting move, which I assume involves "reflecting" something, maybe an attack back toward the enemy. Back to the topic... If one is in in a reasonably long-winded mood, is there a reason something like this doesn't work?: {nuSlu'chu' 'e' qotlh neH qechlIj.}
On Aug 25, 2017 15:31, "Jeremy Silver" <jp.silver@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: On Friday, 25 August 2017 09:21:41 BST De'vID wrote:
In times like these, I feel the need to say "that's (your argument) is ridiculous".
notlh tonSaw'lIj.
Can {tonSaw'} be used as a general-purpose word for any kind of technique/ argument? I have it listed only as a name of a specific fighting move, which I assume involves "reflecting" something, maybe an attack back toward the enemy. ghobe'. noybogh 'ej SorHa'bogh mu'tlhegh 'oH. -- De'vID
On 8/24/2017 11:46 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
To confess my sin, the need to say "that's ridiculous", always arises, when I need to reply to someone who says "don't ask for that word ! klingons would never use it".
In times like these, I feel the need to say "that's (your argument) is ridiculous".
chatlh! -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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