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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] law' and 'Iq
by mayqel qunenoS 01 Sep '17

01 Sep '17

SuStel: > *'Iq* is an inherently negative concept. Does the {tlhoy} convey a negative concept too ? If I say {tlhoy batlh chIw} for "he epitomizes honor excessively", then is this something positive, or something negative ? qunnoq On Sep 1, 2017 17:43, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer(a)uchicago.edu> wrote: (IMO, *HolQeD* 8.3): When *tlhoy *is used, it denotes that the action expressed by the verb is what is being overly done or done too much. … To express the idea of “too much *gagh*” or “too many tribbles,” the verb *'Iq* *be too many, be too much* is used adjectivally. For example: *yIHmey 'Iq vIlegh* *I see too many tribbles*. *qagh 'Iq vISop* * I eat too much gagh*. Sometimes, the word *law'qu'* *be very many* (formed from *law'* *be many* plus –*qu'*, the emphatic suffix) is translated 'be too many.' If the context is clear, this is acceptable, but if it important to stress the idea of “overly many, overly much, more than there ought to be,” *tlhoy *or *'Iq* is usually employed. --Voragh *From:* mayqel qunenoS We know we can say {'ul law'} for "a great amount of electricity"; but can we say too {'ul 'Iq} for "too much electricity" ? Other than that, is there any other considerable difference between {law'} and {'Iq} ? That is a difference besides the level of "how much", expressed by each. For example, is the {'Iq} only to be used in cases where we want to express something negative ? For example {jagh 'Iq}, or can it be used too in order to refer to something positive, for example {batlh 'Iq} ? qunnoq _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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With "joq" - how do we choose the right verb prefix ?
by Aurélie Demonchaux 01 Sep '17

01 Sep '17

Hello all, While discussing on the "Learn Klingon" group on Facebook, we wondered how to choose the correct verb prefix when "joq" (and / or) is used in the object and / or subject of the sentence. If we have the structure: noun1 noun2 joq + verb Do we consider that the object of the verb is singular or plural ? Using an example sentence: We need to learn French and / or Klingon. 1/ vIraS Hol tlhIngan Hol joq *wI*ghojnIS. 2/ vIraS Hol tlhIngan Hol joq *DI*ghojnIS if it were just a "je" we'd use "DI-" without hesitating, or if it were a "ghap" we'd use "wI-", but with joq... ? Has it already been discussed at some point what to do when you can't determine whether a verb's object / subject is singular or plural ? Thanks in advance :) Aurélie

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Klingon Word of the Day: mu'tlhegh
by Klingon Word of the Day 31 Aug '17

31 Aug '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, August 30, 2017 Klingon word: mu'tlhegh Part of speech: noun Definition: sentence Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: mot
by Klingon Word of the Day 31 Aug '17

31 Aug '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, August 31, 2017 Klingon word: mot Part of speech: verb Definition: be stunned, be knocked out Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Question marks next to nouns
by De'vID 31 Aug '17

31 Aug '17

On Aug 28, 2017 10:52, "Lieven" <levinius(a)gmx.de> wrote: Am 26.08.2017 um 07:15 schrieb De'vID: > Star Trek V has a line spoken by Klaa that goes {'entepray'? qIrq Duj > 'oH.} It might be an exclamation rather than a question, though it's > phrased kind of like a rhetorical question. > Actually, he says {'entepray''a'?}, obviously breaking (or bending?) the rule that {-'a'} is only a verb suffix, but it's clearly a yes/no question. In the TKD section on pronunciation, it says that an echo follows {'} if the speaker is excited. That might be what's happening there. -- De'vID

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Klingon Word of the Day: tey
by Klingon Word of the Day 31 Aug '17

31 Aug '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, August 27, 2017 Klingon word: tey Part of speech: verb Definition: be uncomfortable, be close Source: qep'a' 24 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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DIl 'Iv ?
by mayqel qunenoS 31 Aug '17

31 Aug '17

pIj, muchmey vIbej.. 'ej muchmeyvam vIbejtaHvIS, Suvchuqbogh superheroes jIvvo'pu' je vIlegh. SuvtaHvIS, qachmeyDaq jaDchuq qoj puH Dujmey tlhap wa', 'ej latlhDaq jaD. vaj, tagha', qachmey puH Dujmey je Qaw'chu'. vaj, jISIv -'ej jISIvbej jIqIDbe'-, QIHvam DIl 'Iv ? qunnoq

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-meH nouns
by Lieven 31 Aug '17

31 Aug '17

Which nouns make sense in a {[verb]meH [noun]} phrase? In a discussion in Facebook, someone asked to translate "Tell me why you did that" and I suggested {DamaghmeH meqlIj yIDel} "describe your reason for betraying him". Somebody corrected me that the noun in such a phrase should be some kind of tool, as in {pe'meH taj} and {ja'chuqmeH rojHom}. Is there any evidence for or against any of this? I feel that {maghmeH meq} sounds reasonable (no pun intended) but others don't. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher www.klingonwiki.net/En/Type9VerbSuffixes

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-meH meq, and paq'batlh
by Michael Kúnin 31 Aug '17

31 Aug '17

I would add that there is a sentence in paq'batlh: DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja' (interestingly, in {qamchIyDaq 'uQ'a'}) Before the qep'a', I suggested (apparently, on FB) that Maltz comments on the grammar of this sentence; hopefully, more light will be shed at the upcoming qepHom'a'. I am also quite interested in which nouns can serve as head nouns of a {-bogh} clause when the clause relates to its own entirety rather than to its subject or object (poH? ngoD/ghu'? Daq? nger/qech?).

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DIl
by mayqel qunenoS 30 Aug '17

30 Aug '17

Can we write {jIDIl} for "I pay" ? Or {DIl 'Iv ?} for "who will pay ?" ? Or since the translation of {DIl} is given as "pay for", it always needs to have an object ? qunnoq

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