There are some verbs, which contain the concept of "for, about, etc". For example {SaH} "care about, be concerned about". And we have said, that when we are using these verbs, we don't place an additional {-vaD} on the word, which would take a {-vaD}, if the "for, about, etc" concept wasn't included in the verb. For example, we say {romuluSngan vISaHbe'} and not {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}. But I need to ask.. If we did write {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}, would that be wrong ? And in case someone wonders why I'm asking.. In cases where I wanted to say "I gave to myself a present", since there is no prefix for "me-myself", I wrote {qunnoqvaD nob vInob}. But if I want to say "we care only for us", and I want to write {maHvaD neH maSaH}, I stumble upon the fact that the concept of {-vaD} is already included in the {SaH}. So, because of this reason I ask, "can we use a {-vaD} with verbs such as {SaH} ?" Can I write {maHvaD neH maSaH} ? mayqel q
On 10/5/2017 2:45 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
There are some verbs, which contain the concept of "for, about, etc". For example {SaH} "care about, be concerned about".
And we have said, that when we are using these verbs, we don't place an additional {-vaD} on the word, which would take a {-vaD}, if the "for, about, etc" concept wasn't included in the verb.
Don't think of *SaH* as containing the concept of /for, about/, etc. Think of it in Klingon. If you *SaH* a thing, you consider it and like it and pay attention to it. You're not doing anything "for" anything; you're *SaH*ing something.
For example, we say {romuluSngan vISaHbe'} and not {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}.
/I do not *SaH*//the Romulan/ versus /I do not *SaH* it for the Romulan./
But I need to ask.. If we did write {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}, would that be wrong ?
It doesn't mean /I *SaH* the Romulan; /it means /I *SaH* it for the Romulan./
And in case someone wonders why I'm asking..
In cases where I wanted to say "I gave to myself a present", since there is no prefix for "me-myself", I wrote {qunnoqvaD nob vInob}.
But if I want to say "we care only for us", and I want to write {maHvaD neH maSaH}, I stumble upon the fact that the concept of {-vaD} is already included in the {SaH}.
— in the chart notes subject-object combinations which cannot be expressed with the Klingon verb prefix system. For such meanings, suffixes (section 4.2.1) and/or pronouns (section 5.1) must be used. —TKD There is no prefix for "me to myself," so use suffixes and/or prefixes. *jIHvaD nob vInob */I give a present to myself/ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 10/5/2017 2:58 PM, SuStel wrote:
And in case someone wonders why I'm asking..
In cases where I wanted to say "I gave to myself a present", since there is no prefix for "me-myself", I wrote {qunnoqvaD nob vInob}.
But if I want to say "we care only for us", and I want to write {maHvaD neH maSaH}, I stumble upon the fact that the concept of {-vaD} is already included in the {SaH}.
— in the chart notes subject-object combinations which cannot be expressed with the Klingon verb prefix system. For such meanings, suffixes (section 4.2.1) and/or pronouns (section 5.1) must be used. —TKD
There is no prefix for "me to myself," so use suffixes and/or prefixes.
*jIHvaD nob vInob */I give a present to myself/
Correction: suffixes and/or pronouns. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
oh, sorry ! I was wrong at the romulan example.. I meant to write {romuluSnganvaD jISaHbe'}, instead of {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}. So, if I understand correctly, the {romuluSnganvaD jISaHbe'} is correct. Right ? mayqel q On Oct 5, 2017 22:03, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 10/5/2017 2:58 PM, SuStel wrote:
And in case someone wonders why I'm asking..
In cases where I wanted to say "I gave to myself a present", since there is no prefix for "me-myself", I wrote {qunnoqvaD nob vInob}.
But if I want to say "we care only for us", and I want to write {maHvaD neH maSaH}, I stumble upon the fact that the concept of {-vaD} is already included in the {SaH}.
— in the chart notes subject-object combinations which cannot be expressed with the Klingon verb prefix system. For such meanings, suffixes (section 4.2.1) and/or pronouns (section 5.1) must be used. —TKD
There is no prefix for "me to myself," so use suffixes and/or prefixes.
*jIHvaD nob vInob **I give a present to myself*
Correction: suffixes and/or pronouns.
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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On 10/5/2017 3:14 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
oh, sorry ! I was wrong at the romulan example..
I meant to write {romuluSnganvaD jISaHbe'}, instead of {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}.
So, if I understand correctly, the {romuluSnganvaD jISaHbe'} is correct. Right ?
No. That means /For the benefit of the Romulan, I do not *SaH*./ You're trying to say /I do not *SaH* the Romulan./ *romuluSngan vISaHbe'.* -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
ok, I understand. But let me ask you.. How would you translate the "we care only for us" ? The only way I can think of is {maHvaD neH maSaH}, but as I understand this is means "we care only for our benefit". So, how could we translate in klingon the intended meaning ? mayqel On Oct 5, 2017 22:29, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote: On 10/5/2017 3:14 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: oh, sorry ! I was wrong at the romulan example.. I meant to write {romuluSnganvaD jISaHbe'}, instead of {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}. So, if I understand correctly, the {romuluSnganvaD jISaHbe'} is correct. Right ? No. That means *For the benefit of the Romulan, I do not SaH.* You're trying to say *I do not SaH the Romulan.* *romuluSngan vISaHbe'.* -- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
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