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Apposition on wI'-nouns
by Lieven L. Litaer 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

I have recently noticed that we have a handful of words like {DIr QanwI' taS}. When I wondered if this shouldn't be {DIr QanneH taS} I noticed that this word {taS} is added as an apposition (is that the right word?) making clear that this is for instance not some other kind of {DIr QanwI'}. This theory is also confirmed in the word {wab labwI' jan} where {jan} is added to clarify that this is not a "radio station" as the institution, but it's a device - a wab labwI' device. Now, when I tried to search for similar words, I noticed that not all of the verb-wI'+noun combinations are appositions. For instance, {bIQ ghaywI' pa'} is the "room of the shower"; It does not mean that there are different kinds of {bIQ ghaywI'} Do I see this correctly? What are your lingustic comments on this? If anyone likes to make additions to the list, see http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Apposition -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de

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Klingon Word of the Day: web
by Klingon Word of the Day 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, February 22, 2020 Klingon word: web Part of speech: verb Definition: be disgraced Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: tuqvol
by Klingon Word of the Day 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, February 24, 2020 Klingon word: tuqvol Part of speech: noun Definition: forehead (regional) Source: KGT (228 KE, 243 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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{xDuj} vs {x Duj}
by mayqel qunen'oS 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

We say: puH Duj muD Duj bIQ Duj However, we say: veSDuj may'Duj toQDuj tlharghDuj lupDujHom And there is the {paq Duj} too, which since we don't have any of those in greece, I don't know what it is, nor do I care to find out either.. Now, from the examples above ({paq Duj}, whatever the ghe''or it is, aside), it shows that seemingly/apparently in Ca'Non, when a ship is described on the basis of *where* it travels, the two words are written separately, but when a ship is specified on the basis of its' mission, then the two words are smooshed together.. So, the question arises: If we want to say "love ship" (as ridiculous as it may sound), do we need to write {parmaqqay Duj} or {parmaqqayDuj} ? Or if we need to say "food ship", do we write {Soj Duj} or {SojDuj} ? Or is it, that only god (i.e. maltz), has the right to be smooshing words together ? ~ mayqel qunen'oS

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] intransitivity
by PICHLMANN Christoph 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

I agree with SuStel below. Use transitive/intransitive and link to a definition. A single word is less to read than a sentence, and once you know the meaning you don't need more. If you don't know the meaning, you have the link to explain it. Bonus: you can add a more detailed explanation of what it means with regard to klingon, and how it is determined/verified that the verb is either. Christoph --------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 12:21:46 -0500 From: SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> To: tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] intransitivity Message-ID: <75f7f2fa-4669-9fb9-f809-0021c3d3b95f(a)trimboli.name> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >On 2/22/2020 12:18 PM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote: >> Am 22.02.2020 um 18:02 schrieb SuStel: >>> Web-based dictionaries will use either version. >> >> I know, that's why I wondered which one would be preferred. > >Use transitive/intransitive, but link those words with hyperlinks to an >explanation of transitivity (M-W does this). > >-- >SuStel

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Klingon seminar taught at U of Arizona
by De'vID 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

I've just been informed that there is a 1-unit freshman honors seminar on Klingon language this semester taught by Prof. Natasha (nataSa) Warner at the University of Arizona, if anyone's interested. (Is anyone keeping a list of university courses taught about Klingon? I seem to recall someone having had such a list at some point, maybe on the KLI web site.) -- De'vID

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chabal tetlh voting criteria
by Jesse Manoogian 24 Feb '20

24 Feb '20

What are some of the criteria you use when deciding whether to vote a chabal tetlh word submission up or down? There is, of course, the atomicist school of thought, which only votes +1 on words if Klingon can't already express them through a workaround with existing vocabulary. Not all chabal voters are atomicists, though. There there is the culturalist school, which votes +1 on concepts that would be important to the Klingons, given what we know about the culture Marc Okrand has illuminated. The atomicist attitude is not sufficient alone, however, to account for all the -1 votes at chabal tetlh on Kli.org. I'm puzzling over why so many people are voting down "helicopter" and "hemp". (Does Kronos have a !hemp plant that I'm unaware of that already has a Klingon name?) As for my votes, I tend to vote -1 on concepts that already have a canon way of being expressed, such as the suggestion for "already". I vote down words for Earth-specific concepts that are neither commonly used even in English nor of peculiar interest to Klingon speakers. (Saarbrücken, Germany is important to Klingonists, so that got a +1 from me, but does Klingon really need a word for "haiku" at this point?) I also vote down entries where someone seemed to stuff too many concepts in one request, like requesting the name for every country on Earth in Klingon. Other than that, I vote up English words that are common, and *don't* already have a canon way of being expressed (like "gay"). I vote up non-planet-specific terms that don't have a straightforward and short workaround with existing vocabulary, even if they're less common (like "qubit"). And I vote +1 on classically Klingon concepts, like "path of a warrior" or Star Trek universe words, like "J'naii". (I will admit, though, that I had never heard of the J'naii until someone requested that word.)

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ram.. QIbmey.. paQDI'norgh..
by mayqel qunen'oS 23 Feb '20

23 Feb '20

ramvetlh, yIttaHvIS melkor pIn'a' ghojwI'Daj je, ghojwI' ghelta' pIn'a'.. - ghojwI', HIja'; nuchIwchu'bogh bo'Degh DaSov'a' ? - HIja', jangta' ghojwI', owl 'oH. - 'ej qatlh nuchIw bo'Deghvam'e' ? ghelqa'ta' pIn'a'. 'a tampu' ghojwI'.. vaj, jatlhqa'ta' pIn'a': 'op nuvpu' gheptaHvIS Hurghchu'ghach, vum nuvpu'vam.. qaStaHvIS Hurghchu'ghach, leghchu' nuvpu'vam. qaStaHvIS Hurghchu'ghach, qa'chaj DI'onmey 'angchu' nuvpu'vam. eru illuvatar nepbogh mu'mey lajchu'ta'Qo' nuvpu'vam, 'ej eru tamghayqoq ngeb lulajchu'ta'Qo' je. melkor Hurghchu'ghachmo', vemchu' rIntaH nuvpu'vam qa'.. vay' DatlhojnIS ghojwI'; qIjbe' Hurghchu'ghach, maHvaD 'e' ghojmoH melkor.. 'ej wovbe' eru illuvatar tamghayqoq; maHvaD 'e' ghojmoH je joHma'. Heghpu'DI' jaj, 'ej qaSchoHpu' ram, qaStaHvIS ramvam Hurghchu'ghach, Hurghchu'ghachvam bamvIpbe' owl, 'ej QIbmeyDaq 'oHtaHvIS owl'e', juHDajDaq 'oHtaH 'e' jem bo'Deghvam.. vaj, meqmeyvam nIbmo' nuchIwchu' owl.. mu'meyvam jatlhta' pIn'a', 'ej ghIq weQ qIj meQchoHmoHpu', jatlhtaHvIS.. 'ach.. mu'mey 'Iq DIjatlhta', 'ej DaH qaSchoHpu' vummeH poH.. ~ mayqel qunen'oS

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Klingon Word of the Day: DenIb
by Klingon Word of the Day 23 Feb '20

23 Feb '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, February 23, 2020 Klingon word: DenIb Part of speech: noun Definition: Denebia Source: TKD:K-E This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Hev
by Klingon Word of the Day 21 Feb '20

21 Feb '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, February 21, 2020 Klingon word: Hev Part of speech: verb Definition: receive Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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