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*'op* and inherently plural nouns / *-ta'be'* / *Get responsible!*
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 19 Nov '21

19 Nov '21

Just three questions motivated by the last discussions: 1. Is there anything wrong in using *'op* with inherently plural nouns, for example: *'op ngop*? The whole construction would remain grammatically singular, right? 2. If I want to say *She hasn't sold it*, I can say *ngevpu'be'*. What would *ngevta'be'* mean? That she set out to sell it, but she didn't accomplished it? Has *-ta'be'* always the meaning of failing? Or can we also use it just to negate that an action took place? 3. To someone whose decision in a certain situation can have important consequences, I can say *Be responsible!*. That would be, I think, *yIngoy''eghmoH*. But if, speaking to an inmature person, I say *Get responsible!* or *Become responsible!*, would it be *yIngoy''eghchoHmoH* or just *yIngoy'choH*? (I know there is the verb *moj*, but I would like to know how the imperative of state / quality verbs works). Thank you!

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] *-moH* with verbs of state / quality
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 19 Nov '21

19 Nov '21

charghwI': > I’m curious about how one would describe someone washing dishes carelessly enough to not check to make sure they actually are clean when done. They go through the motions of washing them, but it’s hit or miss as to whether or not the dishes are cleaned. > {Say’Ha’moH} implies that the dishes were clean and he made them not clean, un-cleaning them, or miscleaning them. But it’s hit or miss. Some dishes come out clean. Some don’t. {Say’moHbe’} implies not going through the motions of washing. > {Say’moHlaw’} probably comes closest, or {Say’moHchu’be’}. Then again, in English, there isn’t an efficient way of describing this, either. I guess one needs to just describe the action beyond a simple, well-formed verb. {Say’moHlaw’ ‘ach Say’moHchu’be’}. > Other ideas? Of course, I'm not an expert, but I like the idea of *Say'moHchu'be'*. To express the *hit or miss* part maybe we could say something like: *'op ngop neH Say'moHchu'* (*she / he causes only some plates to be perfectly clean*) or, if we want to focus on the change: *'op ngop neH Say'choHmoHchu'* (*she / he causes only some plates to become perfectly clean*).

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owl vs rabbit 1-0
by mayqel qunen'oS 19 Nov '21

19 Nov '21

Always bet on the owl; look closely at the area of the owl's talons. (SuSuDnISchugh, reH lIr yIwIv; lIrvam pach Daq yInuDqu'). https://www.flickr.com/photos/51600413@N02/51686793742/ -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Klingon Word of the Day: DIS
by Klingon Word of the Day 18 Nov '21

18 Nov '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, November 18, 2021 Klingon word: DIS Part of speech: noun Definition: cave Source: TKD (84 KE, 161 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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new words from #KlingonAlice
by Lieven L. Litaer 18 Nov '21

18 Nov '21

Here's a list of all new words that appeard in the Klingon translation of Alice. I'm working step by step to include them and the information into hte Klingon Wiki page. chotlh stare at, gaze at, observe DuHSum lobster Dul sigh; This verb takes no object. ghI'van gryphon [mythological animal with the body of a lion with wings] Halrov treacle, syrup Her'IS bird with a long neck, long legs HIl make someone's presence known HIl'egh make your own presence known HIt think [have an inner conversation] mel'ogh chrysalis mIwba' trial [the process of what happens at court] neSngech dormouse-like animal ngIbvay weird animal found on Kronos that looks like a rock pu'veng twig; also: cat's whiskers qer shrink [get smaller, general] qerHa' un-shrink [grow back to original size] Qa grow (increase in size) [general term] QaHa' un-grow [shrink, get smaller back to original size] rab be gigantic, be huge, be humongous SetqIn (adverbial) alternatively, instead, rather woSwa' armadillo-like animal woSwa' ghew rolling bug [like a pillbug] Some more words appeared that were made fromexisting parts: Durghang qung keyhole joqmoH wave a fan [or anything else] logh'ob chest = front of something (tera') na'ran chang marmalade (lit. gelatinous orange) (tera') na'ran HuH marmalade (lit. orange slime) pob animal's hair or fur qIp knock, hit (with hand, fist...) reD side [of something] reS grow (flowers/plant/vegetables) [as in "she grows carrots"] rewve' mIjDang fan, handheld fan; also: SuS mIjDang Sa'Hut back [of something] SuS mIjDang fan, handheld fan; also: rewve' mIjDang Sut veragh button [part of clothing] tIr ngat bread crumbs vatlhmoH roll up [like a scroll] wuqwI' juror [literally "decider"] wuqwI' ghom jury 'opDIch nth 'oplogh several times http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland See a preview of the book here: https://alice.klingonisch.de/english -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"

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can a {Daq} and a {Sep} be at the sea
by mayqel qunen'oS 17 Nov '21

17 Nov '21

Read this: "There are specific locations in the sea where sea monsters were thought to frequently appear". Could we use the {Daq}/{Sep} or maybe even {SepHom} for the word "locations" of the above example? Perhaps one "solution" would be to use {Quv} "coordinates", but I'd expect that word to be used in military contexts, klingon space crap, aviation, specialized texts, etc. I think it'd be strange to use {Quv} for the purpose in question. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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*moH* with verbs of state / quality
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 17 Nov '21

17 Nov '21

In TKD we read: *Du'IHchoHmoH mIvvam*. Is it not possible just to say: *Du'IHmoH mIvvam*? When should we use *-choHmoH* and when only *-moH*? Thank you, as always, for your help!

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Klingon Word of the Day: qatru'
by Klingon Word of the Day 17 Nov '21

17 Nov '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, November 17, 2021 Klingon word: qatru' Part of speech: noun Definition: nerd Source: Festival of the Spoke Nerd This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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hello master chief
by mayqel qunen'oS 17 Nov '21

17 Nov '21

e There's gonna be a Halo series, and this is the teaser. The moment the computerized female voice is heard saying "hello, master chief" is so so so jay'ing awesome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qasrVrHGqcM t halo lut mIr chenmoHlu'pu', 'ej tugh 'aghchoHlu'; naDev 'oHtaH lut mIrvam teaser'e'. be' De'wI' ghogh vIQoypu'DI', SIbI' mumerpu' ghoghvam, 'ej jIQubpu': < vIlqu'qu'qu' jay'. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qasrVrHGqcM -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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from Maltz: the vanishing Cheshire Cat
by Lieven L. Litaer 16 Nov '21

16 Nov '21

In "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland", there is the Cheshire Cat which keeps appearing and disappearing all the time. Sometimes it's halfway visible, sometimes it's all gone. While finding the right words to express this, Maltz revealed some interesting information on existing words. <<<<<<<< [talking about the vanishing cat:] That would probably be {DemchoH}, assuming the process is gradual (as opposed to instant). Note: "gradual" here does not necessarily imply "slow." {loj} is used for something that incrementally or gradually (again, not necessarily slowly) goes away. An example might be food on your plate or dirt that you wash off of something. If the room the person walks into is filled with, say, boxes that are to be taken somewhere and then, over a short or long time, the boxes are removed, once the room has no boxes, you could use {loj}. If the person walked into the room and it was full of furniture, then the person left the room and came back later only to find the room empty (and there was no reason to expect this to happen), you might use {ngab}. For beaming away, {DemchoH} might make sense for describing what people in the room who are watching someone beam away are seeing. That is, it’s a way of describing what beaming looks like to those not beaming. But, of course, when beaming happens, the person who beams away doesn’t stay there and become invisible. They’re gone! Once the person is gone, you might use {ngab}. {loj} would be appropriate if you’re focusing on the incremental disappearance of the person. To express "gone" in the sense of "no longer here" and the like, make use of {mej} or {mejmoH}. (This won’t work for the person coming into a now-empty room unless what was in the room before and is no longer there is animate. You wouldn’t normally say {mejpu’ quS} or {quS vImejmoH} — unless the chair is a character in a cartoon.) >>>>>>>> QelIS boqHarmey, p. 235 -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland

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