February 2022 - tlhIngan-Hol

Re: [tlhIngan Hol] to roar in crescendo with verbs
by Iikka Hauhio 19 Feb '22

19 Feb '22

DI'onmeyna'Daj 'agh 'aghqu' 'aghchu' is grammatical and has three clauses. What SuStel meant is that the interpretation where all verbs are part of the same sentence is not grammatical (I'm not sure why that is relevant). Punctiation of Klingon is arbitrary and voluntary. Sometimes Okrand doesn't punctuate at all. It is grammatical and correct to not punctuate. However, for clarity, it is a good principle to use commas and periods when appropriate. In this case, «DI'onmeyna'Daj 'agh, 'aghqu', 'aghchu'»would make clear that the verbs form different sentences (and are indeed verbs and not nouns/names, which one could think if assuming that they are all part of one clause). Iikka "fergusq" Hauhio ------- Original Message ------- On Friday, February 18th, 2022 at 15.10, SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> wrote: > See my notes on punctuation. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2/18/22 7:03 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org > Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] to roar in crescendo with verbs > > jIH: >> qanchoHtaHvIS nuv, choHbe'; not choHbej vay'. >> 'a qaStaHvIS yInDaj DISmey, DI'onmeyna'Daj 'agh 'aghqu' 'aghchu' > SuStel: >> I wouldn't have any problem with someone stacking verbs >> this way in speech, but I wouldn't necessarily call it grammatical > > I'm afraid I can't understand this. > > In the {DI'onmeyna'Daj 'agh 'aghqu' 'aghchu'} sentence, the {DI'onmeyna'Daj} is the object of the {'agh}, and the subject of {'agh} is an omitted {vay'}. Can't the following verbs {'aghqu'}/{'aghchu'} have an omitted {DI'onmeyna'Daj}/{vay'} as object/subject? > > I understand the reasoning why just writing {qaStaHvIS yInDaj DISmey, DI'onmeyna' 'aghtaH} is better, but I can't understand why the original sentence could be considered ungrammatical. I'm wondering whether there's something I'm missing regarding omitting subjects/objects. > > -- > Dana'an > https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ > Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Klingon Word of the Day: lanDan
by Klingon Word of the Day 18 Feb '22

18 Feb '22

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, February 18, 2022 Klingon word: lanDan Part of speech: noun Definition: London Source: qep'a' 26 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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to roar in crescendo with verbs
by mayqel qunen'oS 18 Feb '22

18 Feb '22

Yesterday I wanted to say "no one really changes while getting older; with the passage of time people just display more what they really are". But when I came to the "with the passage of time people just display more what they really are", the problem was that since I was writing this on twitter, there was a character limit, so I needed to keep it short. And it was then when the "roar in crescendo" Ca'Non came to mind: {beyHom bey bey'a' jachtaH}; so I wrote: qanchoHtaHvIS nuv, choHbe'; not choHbej vay'. 'a qaStaHvIS yInDaj DISmey, DI'onmeyna'Daj 'agh 'aghqu' 'aghchu' So here comes the question.. Would the {qaStaHvIS yInDaj DISmey, DI'onmeyna'Daj 'agh 'aghqu' 'aghchu'} be appropriate for this purpose? I can't see anything grammatically wrong with it. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Klingon Word of the Day: ruq
by Klingon Word of the Day 18 Feb '22

18 Feb '22

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, February 17, 2022 Klingon word: ruq Part of speech: verb Definition: belch, burp Source: HQ:v12n4p8 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Beginner's text and questions
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 18 Feb '22

18 Feb '22

'ewrop DIvI' 'oHtaH'a' 'ewrop DIvI''e'? cha' 'ewrop tu'lu' jatlhlu': 'ewrop mIp, 'ewrop mIpbe' je. jIjatlh loS 'ewrop tu'lu': qen Ser ghoSlI'bogh 'ewrop'e', pa'logh ghoSlI'bogh 'ewrop'e' je tu'choHlu'pu'. poH nI' bov chep wIyInpu' 'ewropngan. taH'eghmoHbe' Ser, roj, nuv DIbmey je 'e' wIlIjpu'. luQannIslu' 'e' wIlIjpu'. ngoy' Hoch rewbe', potlh je ta'mey mach. As always, I would appreciate any help / correction in order to improve my Klingon. I also have four short questions: 1. With *'oHtaH* I was trying to render the idea of *still be*. Is it right? 2. No problem with *-lu'* being used without object or with intransitive verbs, right? 3. Can we put other suffixes between *tu'* and *lu'* when meaning *there is/are* like in *tu'choHlu'pu'*? 4. I was having some difficulties when trying to render ideas like *in ordinary situations*, *in daily life* etc., because *-Daq* can only be used when referring to a real location. How could I say that? Thank you!

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clipped klingon formal or informal
by mayqel qunen'oS 17 Feb '22

17 Feb '22

Suppose there's a priest of Melkor in his temple at Armenelos. This priest starts invoking Melkor, and during the ritual he wants to say things like "approach", "manifest", "reveal yourself". But the priest worships Melkor; he doesn't approach him the way he'd approach a lesser spirit, which he'd perhaps try to force/bind/constrain. So the question is, in such a setting, in a setting where a god is worshipped, is the use of clipped Klingon appropriate? Could the priest of Melkor say to him {nargh}, {ghoS}, {'ang'egh}? Or would the use of clipped Klingon in an occasion like this be considered inappropriate/disrespectful? -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Klingon Word of the Day: Sar
by Klingon Word of the Day 16 Feb '22

16 Feb '22

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, February 16, 2022 Klingon word: Sar Part of speech: noun Definition: variety Source: TKD (107 KE, 159 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Huch jengva'
by Klingon Word of the Day 15 Feb '22

15 Feb '22

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, February 15, 2022 Klingon word: Huch jengva' Part of speech: noun Definition: coin Source: qep'a' 25 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Qogh
by Klingon Word of the Day 14 Feb '22

14 Feb '22

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, February 12, 2022 Klingon word: Qogh Part of speech: noun Definition: *kkhog*, type of animal Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: bettI'
by Klingon Word of the Day 14 Feb '22

14 Feb '22

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, February 13, 2022 Klingon word: bettI' Part of speech: noun Definition: aluminum Source: qep'a' 27 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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