November 2021 - tlhIngan-Hol

'elaDya' lalDan - lam'a' Say'choHghach je ~ 'ay' Soch
by mayqel qunen'oS 03 Nov '21

03 Nov '21

vay’Daq SaHtaHvIS lam’a’, vay’vamvaD ‘op Do’Ha’chu’bogh ‘ej qabchu’bogh wanI’ qaSmoHlaH: porghDaq rop Hegh je qaSmoH lam’a’; qa’vaD Qunpu’ vuvqangbe’choHmoH, qa’ qal, ‘ej tagha’ nuvvaD HeSwI’ mojmoH, ‘ej lam’a’mo’ Qunpu’ Qunpu’ bopbogh Hoch’e’ je vuvqangbe’chu’ nuv; juHDaq lam’a’ tu’lu’chugh, Do’Ha’choH juHvam qorDu’ Hoch Hoch nortlhampu’Daj je, ‘ej San mIgh lot je SIQchoH; vengDaq lam’a’ tu’lu’chugh, pa’ qaS rop’a’, DachchoH ruv, ‘ej nargh lot but; puHDaq bIQmeyDaq muDDaq joq lam’a’ tu’lu’chugh, pa’ ghurchoH nganpu’ porgh Hat, ropchoH nganpu’, ‘ej wa’vaD latlh lungejmoHbogh rop SIQchoH Hoch. lam’a’ qaSmoHlaH je Hochvam: qa’ luchotlu’pu’bogh; Heghpu’bogh nuv qa’pu’ (Heghpu’DI’ nuvpu’vam, lam’a’ luqengchugh); nuv qa’pu”e’ lajpu’Qo’bogh bIng qo’ (nuvpu’vam lajpu’Qo’ bIng qo’, nuvpu’vamvaD molmeH taymey mIt qaSmoHpu’mo’ pagh, Heghpu’DI’ nuvpu’vam. noDqangtaH qa’pu’vam, ‘ej qo’vamDaq lengtaH qa’pu’vam ‘ej not leSlaH net poQ); ‘op DaqDaq lam’a’ luqaSmoHlaH wanI’mey but, Human nughmey, ralbogh wanI’mey, Qun chut lupabHa’pu’bogh wanI’, wanI’ lupaypu’bogh je. ‘ej vItlhbe’bogh lam’a’ tu’lu’ je: boghmoHbogh be’pu’, Heghpu’bogh nuvpu’ joq cholchugh vay’, lam’a’ SIQ, ‘ej lam’a’ qaSmoHlaH je ‘op vangpu’ghach. ‘ej DaH Say’choHghach wIDIgh; Say’choHmoHmeH taymey Ho’DoSmey je bop Say’choHghach. qalchoHmoHbogh ‘ej nItHa’choHmoHbogh Hoch bop lam’a’, ‘ach Say’choHmoHmeH taymey le’ bop Say’choHghach; Hoch Sar lam’a’ SaHtaHghach luvuj tayvam, ‘ej motlhbogh ‘ej mItbogh Dotlh nIt luqaSqa’moH. potlhchu’ Say’choHghach; qaStaHvIS ‘elaDya’ lalDan Hoch jaj yIn, potlhchu’ wej: Qunpu’vaD mu’ lujatlhlu’bogh, ‘anmoHmeH taymey, Say’choHmoHmeH taymey/Ho’DoSmey je. Sar law’ Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey tu’lu’: 1) Qunpu’vaD jatlhchoHpa’ vay’, qoj ‘anchoHmoHpa’, Say’choHmeH nuv, DuHmeyvam tu’lu’: jIb tIq ghajchugh be’, tIqDaj runmeH, tIqDajDaq ’emvI”a’ vev; qaStaHvIS tay, runnIS be’ jIb (tIq be’ jIb net chaw’, Heghpu’mo’ vay’, ‘IQchu’ghachDaj ‘aghchugh be’, ‘ej tIq be’ jIb net chaw’, qaSchugh ‘op yupma’ le’). 2) waqmeyDaj teq nuv. 3) qaSchoHpa’ tay’, ‘ej Qunpu’vaD jatlhchoHpa’ nuv, ghopDu’Daj qabDaj je Say’moH. 4) tay ‘aH nItmoHmeH nuv, *khernips* lo’laH (wejHa’ ngoQvam chavmeH mIw wIDelpu’). 5) ‘op nuv vangpu’ghachmeymo’ qaSnIS Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey le’, chIrgh ‘elpa’ nuvvam. 6) boghpu’DI’ puq, ‘ej Heghpu’DI’ vay’, qaSnIS Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey le’. 7) muD Say’choHmoHlu’meH, qaSnIS Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey. 8) Daq luSay’choHmoHlu’meH, qaSnIS Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey. 9) lam’a’ luqaSmoHbogh qa”e’ luvujlu’meH, qaSnIS Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey le’. 10) qa’ DotlhDajmo’ Qunpu’ jemlaHbe’chugh vay’, choHmeH ghu’vam, qaSnIS Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey le’: Qunpu’vaD tlhobmeH mu’mey jatlh nuv, qoj chaHvaD ‘anmoH je. 11) porgh lam’a’ vujlu’meH, qaS ‘op vormeH mIw. 12) qa’ lam’a’ vujlu’meH, QoQ lo’lu’; mI’laH je nuv. 13) juH juHvam qorDu’ je lam’a’ vujlu’meH, Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoS luDellu’pu’bogh lulo’lu’. 14) HeS ral SIQpu’chugh vay’, vay’vamvaD HeSvam lam’a’ vujlu’meH, qaSnIS Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey le’ (Ho’DoSmeyvam per qaSpu’bogh HeS). 15) chotpu’chugh vay’, pagh bong HoHpu’chugh, qaSnIS Say’choHmoHmeH Ho’DoSmey le’. 16) qa’ nItchoHmoHlu’meH, much qachDaq ‘op much le’ bejlaH nuv. 17) nItchoHmoHmeH yupma’mey le’ tu’lu’ je. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {ghIq} {ngugh} and time adverbs with time stamps
by DloraH 02 Nov '21

02 Nov '21

On Sat, 2021-10-30 at 22:59 +0300, mayqel qunen'oS wrote: > jIH: > > adverb - verbbogh 'ej verbbogh noun - > > verb - meH'ed noun > ghunchu'wI': > > First: this is not valid grammar. Purpose > > clauses with {-meH} go *before* the noun > > or verb they are modifying. They can't > > come at the end of a sentence. > > I don't think your point is correct. > > {roD romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI''e' luQaw'laH tlharghmeH > Duj} > > "Regularly scouting ships are able to destroy the romulan > hunter-killer probe". > > Constructions as {qeqmeH taj}, {QongmeH Duj}, {narghmeH nab}, etc, are > obviously able to come at the end of the sentence, and it is these > kind of constructions which I was describing by saying {meH'ed noun}. The tlharghmeH is coming before Duj, the noun which it is modifying. - DloraH

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SuHaghchoHmeH Ho'DoS
by Will Martin 02 Nov '21

02 Nov '21

I wrote a translation of Stairway to Heaven in the spirit of “Who’s On First” and “Bring Out Yer Dead”, two hilarious translations that were met with zeal and delight, and it got the reception of Glen Proechel’s slapdash, proselytizing translation of the New Testament. I entitled it after a different line from the song because considering that it was a Klingon translation of an early ‘70s rock song about a woman’s drug overdose, it would be funnier to call it, “And It Makes Me Wonder”. Given the reception it got, maybe I should have picked a different line: “Remember Laughter?"

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Klingon Word of the Day: tera' yav 'atlhqam
by Klingon Word of the Day 02 Nov '21

02 Nov '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, November 02, 2021 Klingon word: tera' yav 'atlhqam Part of speech: noun Definition: mushroom Source: EuroTalk Talk Now Klingon This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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qo' wa'DIch qay'choHghachHomwIjmey
by Will Martin 02 Nov '21

02 Nov '21

1. qen maghoH be’nal-puqloD jIH je. qatlh maghoH? *Charlottesville* wIDab. *Lee* Hew jotlh vengwIj ‘e’ nabta’mo’ naDev morgh *Nazi*pu’. ral. be’ HoH. toH, Qochbe’law’ be’nal-puqloD *Nazi*pu’ je. qunmo’ potlhchu’ *Lee* ‘ej ratlhnIS Hew ‘e’ Har. be’nal-puqloD vija’. jIjatlh. <<not *Charlottesville* Dabpu' *Lee*. not naDev HaDpu'. not naDev Suvpu'. not naDev Suchpu'. naDev Hew lannISbe’lu’. *racist* ghaH naDev Hewvam lanbogh nuv’e’.>> muja’. jatlh. <<-I didn’t give him time to express the verb before {-bogh} *liberal*pu’vetlhvo’ wa' SoH…>> jIQam. juHwIjDaq ghaH. quSwIjDaq ba’. SojwIj Soppu’. jIjatlh. <<chovuvnIS. chovuvHa’law’lI’.>> jatlh. <<chaq jImejnIS.>> Qam. mej. jIQeHtaH. 2. puH-DujwIj QIHlu’. ‘orwI’ retlhDaq neSlo’ Qaw’lu'pu’. baS SIrghmeymo' HuS HochHom neSlo’ ‘ay’mey. puHDaq ‘op ‘ay’mey tu’lu'. tlhop QorwaghDaq bIQ teqwI’ bIngDaq nav lan jIlwI’. ghItlh. jatlh: <<puH-DujlIj qIppu’bogh nuv’e’ vIbejpu’. <61 VTAIL> per puH-Dujvam.>> pervam vIyaj. <V> rur chal-Duj le’ tlhuQ. <Bonanza> perlu’. DIS 1961 ghaytan chal-Dujvam chenmoHlu’. jIQeHtaH. 3. SIS. bIr. qaStaHvIS DungluQ ‘engmeymo’ Hurgh. jI’IttaH. 4. qoro’na navtImmo’ jIvangDI’ vIvuSlu’. jIropbe’. qoro'na navtIm vIghajbe’, ‘ach vISuqbe’meH pIj jIvangbe’nIS. jI’IttaH. jIQeHtaH ‘ej jI’IttaH ‘e’ vImaSbe’bej. vaj jIHagh vIneH. vaj qaStaHvIS repmey, jIqIDmeH bom vImugh. pupbe’ ‘e’ vISov, ‘ach jISaHbe’. Haghlu’chugh, yap. ‘ach naDev pabmo’ ghoHlu’ ‘e’ maSlu’law’. Haghqanglu’be’. jISaHbe’. jIHagh jIH. yap. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Don't be alarmed, now.
by luis.chaparro＠web.de 02 Nov '21

02 Nov '21

SuStel: >> I know there is no simple answer, I just want to be sure I've understood your explanation. You tend to use *-eghmoH* when the subject can control or influence the required change. *Cause yourself to be un-alarmed or relaxed* makes sense, because *becoming relaxed* is something one can actively do (with exercises, analysis etc.). *Don't cause yourself to be alarmed or nervous* makes no sense, because *becoming nervous* is something one cannot *cause*, something one doesn't control, it's a state one is brought to and therefore you cannot command someone not to cause a state she or he is not able to cause anyway. Or am I missing something here? > Yes, that's pretty much what I mean. I'm happy I could figure it out! It was very clarifying.

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bom tIQ vItu'
by Will Martin 01 Nov '21

01 Nov '21

I haven’t been writing much in Klingon for a long time. My problem is that when I think in Klingon, I don’t tend to say anything if I don’t have anything important to say. Of course, all who know me know that in English, I face no such barrier. Anyway, I thought I’d try to write a song in Klingon, but I realized that I’m just not familiar enough with what is appropriate for a Klingon song, so I did some research. As it happens, I have stumbled across what appears to be an ancient Klingon song’s original lyrics. Apparently, more recently, alternative lyrics were applied to this song. I’ve seen references to it, though I haven’t tracked it down yet, though I think I’ve heard Krankor do an English version of the newer lyrics. My attempts to track down the tune have been thwarted by an apparent ban on the melody at all leSpal ngevmeH malja’ qachmey. Anyway, for what it’s worth, here’s what I found: ‘ej muSIvmoHbejtaH qol’om ‘oH gho-onbo-ogh Hoch’e’ ‘e’ Harchu’ ja-aw ghaHbogh be’’e’ ‘ej QI’tu’ letlh je-e’taH. pawDI’ jaw’vam ngaQchu-u’-chugh ma-alja’ qa-ach, ngoQDaj’a’ SuqlaHbe-ej ‘e’ So-ovbej. ‘u’ ‘u’ ‘u’, ‘u’, ‘u’ ‘u’ ‘u’ ‘u’ ‘ej QI’tu’ ghoSbogh le-etlh je’law’taH. reDDaq vepHey tu-u’lu’, ‘ach vo-oqchu’ ne-eH rut cha’ qech chuplaHmo-o’ wa’ mu-u’. bIQtIqHom retlhDaq SorDaq bomtaH qa-anra-aD. rut Hoch buSHachmaj no-obHa’lu-u’. [This last verb was apparently mistranslated into English.] bISov. tIng ’ev vIghantaHDI-I’ jItIwchoH net ghu-ur ‘ej jItlheD neHmo’ qa’wIj nongchoHbej. Sormey Hay tlhIch rutlhme-ey vIlegh ‘e’ vI-Ija-al bejbogh nu-uvpu’ QI-Ichmey je-e. qajal. tlhuplu’. <<tugh bom wIwIvchugh mameqmeH nu-uDe-ev Dov’agh. taHwI’pu’vaD choH jaj chu-u’ ‘ej Haghqu’ta-aHmo-o’ nuvlaw’pu-u-u’ la-aw’ nge-em’a’ Hoch lute-ebchu’ ya-a’rIS>> Haghlu’ghach Daqaw’a’? toH, HIja’, HISlaH, lu’. ‘ej muSIvmoHbejtaH. tIlIjDaq chuSlu’chugh, yIjot. yIghumbe’lu-u’. maqtagh ta’vaD Say’moHlu’ neH. cha’vo’ wa’ He DawIvnISbej ‘e’ So-ov Ho-och. HelIj DachoHmeH ratlh poH yap. tlhon’a’meyvo’ Huyqu’lu’ta-aH ‘ej mevlu’Qo-o’. <<HImuv!>> jatlh Dov’agh chu’wI’’a’. jaw’oy, SuSbogh SuS DaQoylaH’a’? ‘ej DaSov’a’? tlhuptaHbogh SuSDaq letlhlIj ‘oH[taH]. ‘ej HemajDaq malengtaHvIS. QIbmaj woch law’ qa’maj woch puS. pa’ yIt jaw’e’ wISovchu’bogh. tamghay chIS chu’ ‘ej ‘aghchu’ neH. qol’om mojmeH Hoch Ho’DoS ‘agh. ‘ej bI’Ijchu’chugh vaj DaQoy. bom’a’ Dagho-ovchoHlaHchu’. wa’ mojDI’ Hoch, Hoch mojDI’ wa-a’ nagh’a’ Damoj ‘ach not bIron. toH. HIja’. ‘ej QI’tu-u’ ghoSbogh le-e-etlh je’law’taH. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

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Don't be alarmed, now.
by Will Martin 01 Nov '21

01 Nov '21

In translating Stairway to Heaven, I hit a snag on the line, “Don’t be alarmed, now.” If we had a verb for “be alarmed”, you could say, {yI-[be alarmed]Qo’}, but the verb is {ghum} — “alarm, sound an alarm”. In a Statement, we could build “be alarmed” out of {glumlu’}, but when you put the {yI-} on it, the subject is expected to be the First Person. Well, the statement “I am alarmed,” would be {vIghumlu’} or “-indefinite subject- alarms me." Does the imperative prefix do the same {-lu’} trick pointing to the object instead of the subject? Is {yIghumlu’} valid for “Be alarmed!”? If so, {yIghumlu’Qo’} is perfectly meaningful and grammatical. But Okrand doesn’t tell us about {-lu’} with the Imperative. So, in translation, I just took the leap of faith, figuring this must be the case, or else there can be no use of {-lu’} with the Imperative. But then, how would I say, “Don’t alarm the others!”? {latlhpu’vaD yIghumQo’!}? And “Don’t be alarmed, for the others,” as in, “For the sake of not alarming the others, show no fear.”… {latlhpu’vaD yIghumlu’Qo’}? Then again, did I derail myself from the very beginning assuming that {ghum} can take an object other than the alarm being sounded? vISIvmoHlu’bejtaH. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

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Klingon Word of the Day: tlham
by Klingon Word of the Day 01 Nov '21

01 Nov '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, October 30, 2021 Klingon word: tlham Part of speech: noun Definition: order, structure (societal) (slang) Source: TKD-A (185 KE, 188 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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20th anniversary qepHom
by Lieven L. Litaer 01 Nov '21

01 Nov '21

Dear friends of the Klingon language, some of you certainly remember our big party we made at the tenth anniversary of the qepHom on 11/11/11. Now, ten years later we are indeed facing the twentieth anniversary, which had to be postponed due to the pandemic. But now you can finally make your plans long ahead. We invite you to the 20th anniversary qepHom'a' Germany Date: November 16-20, 2022 During five days, we will practice and live the Klingon language, accompanied with lots of surprises and entertaining program. There will be a movie premiere and we will end the event with a huge gala dinner in a very special place with live music and good food. Due to the size of this event, all information is no longer on qepHom.de, it is now on --> http://qepa.de/ -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.tlhInganHol.com http://klingon.wiki/En/QepHomSaarbrücken

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