January 2020 - tlhIngan-Hol

New Words from DIS 2889
by Jackson Bradley 29 Jan '20

29 Jan '20

Hello, all! As some of you may have noticed, this month's edition of 'eSrIv contains a number of new words used to translate DIS 2889 (In the Year 2889) by Jules Verne. >From Dr. Okrand: "Mars and Jupiter have two names, as do other planets in our solar system. There's the "scientific" name and the nickname that the Klingons learned after encountering and engaging with Terrans. In talking with Terrans, or in Terran-y contexts, the nicknames are more common. With the nickname first: "Mars" - {marIS} {Sol loS} "Jupiter" - {ju'pIter} {Sol vagh} "waterfall" is {bIQ notron} {notron} is "curtain, drape," but it can also be used for things like a door or gate that opens and closes vertically, like a portcullis. ---- Niagara {nayeghra} Paris {parIy} Boston {baStan} Philadelphia {vIlaDelvIya'} Washington, DC {wa'SIngtanDIySIy} (I don't know how this works in what you're translating, but in normal, day-to-day Klingon conversation, the {DIySIy} is never left off. Let me know if anybody refers to the District of Columbia or to "DC" by itself, without the "Washington" part.) Bosporus {boSporoS} For tens of millions, you have a choice. 30,000,000 could be {wejmaH'uy'}, as you suggest, or it could be {wejvatlhbIp}. Either is fine, and the choice would probably be determined by what other (big) numbers were being mentioned in the same context. If no other numbers are around, flip a coin." Additionally, when I asked him what the most appropriate way of saying "read aloud" (e.g. a book), he said that *paq mu'(mey) jatlh* would work fine. Maltz, we thank you!! To read the story, check out 'eSrIv jav on Hol 'ampaS: https://hol.kag.org/page/eSrIv.html More on DIS 2889: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/InTheYear2889 --DeSDu'

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Klingon Word of the Day: tungHa'
by Klingon Word of the Day 29 Jan '20

29 Jan '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, January 29, 2020 Klingon word: tungHa' Part of speech: verb Definition: encourage Source: TKD (110 KE, 130 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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placement of {je} relative to the {rIntaH}
by mayqel qunen'oS 28 Jan '20

28 Jan '20

We want to say: "I captured the romulans too". Do we know, which of the following is correct ? Or at least more correct ? romuluSnganpu' vIjon je rIntaH romuluSnganpu' vIjon rIntaH je ~ mayqel qunen'oS

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Klingon Word of the Day: tlhIngan Hubbeq
by Klingon Word of the Day 28 Jan '20

28 Jan '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, January 28, 2020 Klingon word: tlhIngan Hubbeq Part of speech: noun Definition: Klingon Defense Force Source: ADD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: qatra'
by Klingon Word of the Day 27 Jan '20

27 Jan '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, January 27, 2020 Klingon word: qatra' Part of speech: noun Definition: Katra (vulcan soul) Source: qepHom 2017 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: poDmoH
by Klingon Word of the Day 25 Jan '20

25 Jan '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, January 25, 2020 Klingon word: poDmoH Part of speech: verb Definition: clip Source: TKD (124 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Pluralizing Pokémon
by Jesse Manoogian 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

After considering everything you've written, Felix, I'm now leaning towards po'qeymonpu'. If Meowth can learn a human language, Pokémon are clearly capable of speech. I had never seen the manga with the Kangaskhan-speaking boy before -- interesting! I suppose anthropomorphic characters who speak in a human language (or "Common") should be -pu'. The Bear family in the Berenstain Bears, for instance, would most likely be tera' mIl'oDpu', not tera' mIl'odmey. >I would argue that Pokémon are beings capable of communication via language, but I don't know that they are necessarily >regarded in that way by humans (or Klingons).> >After all, we've seen in episodes like Island of the Giant Pokémon that Pokémon are capable of carrying out entire >conversations, and we've also seen Team Rocket asking Meowth to translate what Pokémon are saying into human speech. > > >Pokémon's talk - Bulbasaur | | | | | | | | | | | Pokémon's talk - Bulbasaur Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the wor... | | | >Furthermore, Pokémon can understand complex utterances in human speech, and respond to it with body language. > > >In the anime episode The Kangaskhan Kid, we see a boy who has been raised by Kangaskhan, and appears to speak their >language. However, I'm not certain if it's clear if this is language use or just mimicry. >Apparently, in the manga, it is clear that he speaks Pokémon language. > > >//loghaD

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using {Doch} for non-physical things
by mayqel qunen'oS 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

Recently, I've been going through my notes.. And all of a sudden, qeylIS brought to my attention something I'd totally forgotten, which now I'll share, in case others have forgotten it too. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017, qurgh started the thread with the title: "qep'a' cha'maH loSDIch New words and some tidbits". In that thread, on Sun, Jul 30, 2017, RE Andeen wrote: *********** Another random tidbit. I was talking with Marc about something or other, and somebody nearby said “it’s the little things...” Marc said he would say <<DochHommey>> for that in Klingon. I had generally only used <<Doch>> for physical objects, but this indicates its somewhat more general. pagh *********** Here's the link too: http://lists.kli.org/pipermail/tlhingan-hol-kli.org/2017-July/004645.html This is all the justification I'd ever need.. I'll be {Doch}ing like there's no tomorrow.. ~ mayqel qunen'oS

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placement of rIntaH relative to the verb
by mayqel qunen'oS 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

>From the rIntaH and be-verbs thread: charghwI': > The one thing I’ve noticed about all of the canon examples cited is that they take the form: > complete Klingon sentence {rIntaH}. None of them have a subject noun following {rIntaH} charghwI': > Maybe that’s a coincidence and a sentence like *taQ rIntaH DevwI’* is grammatical, but I think > we should at least consider that perhaps that should have been *taQ DevwI’ rIntaH*. SuStel: > This is true, and I've considered it, but since it's tangential to the question and unresolved I > didn't bring it up. Without a clear example, this question must remain unanswered. This is an interesting matter indeed. And something which had never crossed my mind.. The way I understood {rIntaH} so far, was that falling in the category of verb suffixes (or at least a kind of), then it *should* follow immediately after the verb. Of course, I now realize that it is an unresolved area of grammar, and perhaps, until we get a ruling from maltz, perhaps it comes down to personal preference. Speaking of which.. Personally, I'd prefer placing it right after the noun, because it *feels* more direct, and the meaning of the sentence becomes immediately clearer, especially in cases where we don't have a "simple" subject, but a more "complex" one, as for instance noun-noun constructions, {-meH}ed nouns, {-bogh}ed nouns, or even an entire {-bogh} phrase with it's own subject and object. Now, one could perhaps argue that klingons wouldn't use "complex" subjects.. But it'd be better if we refrained from such analyses, since doing so can result in romulan abductions, interrogations, agony, etc.. And as daffy duck says: 'oy' vISIQlaHbe'; 'oy' ! I can't stand pain; it hurts ! ~ mayqel qunen'oS

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Klingon Word of the Day: ghIrep naHmey
by Klingon Word of the Day 24 Jan '20

24 Jan '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, January 24, 2020 Klingon word: ghIrep naHmey Part of speech: noun Definition: grapes Source: TalkNow - Learn Klingon!, revealed 30 September 2011 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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