March 2017 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon Word of the Day: QongDaq 'echlet tun
by qurgh＠wizage.net 23 Mar '17

23 Mar '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, March 23, 2017 Klingon word: QongDaq 'echlet tun Part of speech: noun Definition: mattress Source: qepHom 2016 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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SAVE THE DATE: qepHom Germany
by Lieven 23 Mar '17

23 Mar '17

Greetings to all of you! The webpage of this year's qepHom'a' in Germany is set up and ready for online registration. Here some details: qepHom'a' Nr. 16 November 16-19, 2017 € 15 registration € 114 in multiple room € 150 in single room for three (!) nights including three meals for the hotel room at: Europa-Jugendherberge Saarbrücken (same hotel as the past 15 years) Meerwiesertalweg 31 66123 Saarbrücken Germany More details on www.qepHom.de and in the Klingon wiki on http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/QepHomSaarbrücken You can also follow the qepHom in Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/qepHom Be part of the largest Klingon meeting on the world - join now. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka Quvar valer 'utlh Grammarian of the KLI

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!
by Anthony Appleyard 23 Mar '17

23 Mar '17

Similar complications arose in the old discussion thread about "the ship in which I fled". ----Original message---- From : sustel(a)trimboli.name Date : 23/03/2017 - 02:11 (GMTST) To : tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh! .... (7) "That blowhard talks about himself too much." (8) "Those lovers talk about each other too much." '.... (7) tlhoy bop'egh 'eDjenvetlh jatlhtaHvIS. (8) tlhoy bopchuq parmaqqayvetlh jatlhtaHvIS. For the last two, due to their reflexive nature, I couldn't see how to use the topic marker without repeating {'eDjen} or {parmaqqay} ....

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Klingon Word of the Day: 'o'megh
by qurgh＠wizage.net 22 Mar '17

22 Mar '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, March 22, 2017 Klingon word: 'o'megh Part of speech: noun Definition: end (of a song) Source: HQ:v12n2p9 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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qep'a' Save the Date
by David Holt 21 Mar '17

21 Mar '17

I am hoping the web page will be up by the end of the week and then you'll be able to register to attend and for your hotel room. But it's already so late in the year, I wanted to go ahead and announce the details. qep’a’ cha’maH loSDIch July 27-29, 2016 $35 pre-registration $119+ taxes per night for the hotel room at: Hampton Inn O’Hare (same hotel as the past 2 years) 3939 N. Mannheim Schiller Park, IL, US 60176 More details coming soon. janSIy

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Klingon Word of the Day: naHjej
by qurgh＠wizage.net 21 Mar '17

21 Mar '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, March 21, 2017 Klingon word: naHjej Part of speech: noun Definition: thistle Source: KGT:p88 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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mu' chu' (pab chu' je) chabal tetlh: filling the gaps (concept)
by Michael Kúnin 21 Mar '17

21 Mar '17

Replying to Lieven: >> The raw idea is: take the list of 5000 most frequently used English words and see which of them are *really* missing in our knowledge of Klingon. > That's not always true; many beginners seem to be missing words which are just expressed by other ideas, or just do not exist. Note that there still is no english word for "Kindergarten", but it works anyway. Nearly all languages have loanwords, so Klingon has {qajunpaQ} and those many Terran {banan} words. However, I would expect that words like "table" and "chair" (which we already have Klingon terms for) would not be loanwords in Klingon unlike they are in English (OK, they might have evolved from loans from other {Qo'noS} languages, but I would not touch Proto-Klingon here---for us we can consider {raS} and {quS} native Klingon). >> 1.2. By "*really* missing" I mean that there is no adequate translation (e.g., {'IHchoHmoH} for "suit (verb)", which appears in a sentence in TKD, is adequate, > Indeed. Beginners (and others) should know that since that was proposed in TKD, Okrand certainly thought about it, and hence it makes not sense asking for a verb like suit. Most of the time, there IS a way to express things, and very often, Okrand refuses to create a new word and instead proposes the use of an existing. My *raw* idea is to take 5000 most frequently used English words; now I elaborate: if a word is not *really* missing, think/invent/suggest how to express it, and create an online resource (or a page in the KLI website) with such suggestions. As for {'IHchoHmoH} and other words that do not directly occur in the "dictionary" canon but occur in canon sentence translations, I suggest adding them to some extra word list. However, there are still common (at least here on Earth) words and expressions with no "adequate" translations; for example, in your replay to another user as to expressing speeds, you came up with a {qaStaHviS} construction, but you recognised that it was "a bit awkward"---if someone with your Klingon knowledge considers a translation using what we know "awkward", then it probably indicates that there should be a better way yet to be revealed by Maltz. >> 1.3. Another important aspect is whether we can reasonably expect that a Klingon word exists. Thus, I would exclude "Terran" words where the {banan naH} approach can be used. For example, if I need to say "oak", I would use {"oak" Sor} (there does not have to be a {Qo'noS} plant >similar to the oak anyway). > Exactly! I recently had to translate the text for a children's show where the main characters are a mouse and an elephant. Okrand agreed that the word {Qa'Hom} for mouse is fine, but Maltz was not aware of an elephant like animal, so he suggested I just say {'e'levan}. [I did not post this to the list as this is not really a new word] I would strongly suggest that you report {'e'levan} as a new word: it is not less of one than {banan}, {tarDIghaD}, {DoyIchlan}, or even {tera'}---it is a *canon transliteration* of a Terran term. I really have an impression that more academic approach to canon is needed. >> For grammar, I would suggest to take a good English grammar for advanced learners (of English as foreign language), and identify which grammatical structures are missing in our knowledge of Klingon. > And even then, most things can be described somehow. Looking at our own grammar (being english, german or chinese) may be even more confusing than expected. English is very complicated, Klingon is not. Again, in some cases "somehow" is OK, in others it is not so (how was irrealis expressed before {jal}, let alone {net jalchugh}, was revealed?). Again, some resource with tips as to translating advanced English sentences to Klingon would be really appreciated (I perfectly realise that those tips would be no more than general guidelines). For example, even I (who started learning Klingon in 2013) know that "the ship in which I fled" (relative clauses of location) can be approached in several ways: breaking the sentence into several ones, replacing the verb with one having the place as its direct object ({veng vIDabbogh}), using a purpose clause ({jIHaw'meH Duj}), with the way to use depending on the exact context. > Just my two cents to this :-) For you, it is two cents. For me, the value of your response is much higher, believe me. Qapla'!

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mu' chu' (pab chu' je) chabal tetlh: filling the gaps (concept)
by Michael Kúnin 21 Mar '17

21 Mar '17

An hour or so ago, qurgh started the {chabal tetlh} thread for the upcoming qep'a' on Facebook. As FB is not very suitable for long and/or elaborate messages, I decided to summarise my idea here. 1. {mu' chu'} The raw idea is: take the list of 5000 most frequently used English words and see which of them are *really* missing in our knowledge of Klingon. 1.1. Certainly, the first 200 or so are expressed by affixes and other grammar structures, and if any of them are *really* missing, this would belong to {pab chu'}. 1.2. By "*really* missing" I mean that there is no adequate translation (e.g., {'IHchoHmoH} for "suit (verb)", which appears in a sentence in TKD, is adequate, but something back-translated as "propel oneself in water" before {Qal} was revealed is NOT adequate---IMHO). 1.3. Another important aspect is whether we can reasonably expect that a Klingon word exists. Thus, I would exclude "Terran" words where the {banan naH} approach can be used. For example, if I need to say "oak", I would use {"oak" Sor} (there does not have to be a {Qo'noS} plant similar to the oak anyway). 2. {pab chu'} For grammar, I would suggest to take a good English grammar for advanced learners (of English as foreign language), and identify which grammatical structures are missing in our knowledge of Klingon. It is clear that some (or even many) structures do not have exact correspondences ("The ship in which I fled" is a famous example). Qapla' Netzakh

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Klingon Word of the Day: lIl
by qurgh＠wizage.net 20 Mar '17

20 Mar '17

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, March 20, 2017 Klingon word: lIl Part of speech: verb Definition: simulate, impersonate Source: November 2016 email to Lieven This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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KLCP Chart on Klingon Language Wiki
by John R. Harness 20 Mar '17

20 Mar '17

Hi all, I wanted to update this chart (http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/KLCPchart) that lists who has passed each level of the KLCP exams. Is there another official list of who is at which level? If not, and you know someone who has passed some exams or yourself have passed exams, please go ahead and add yourself OR let me know and I can add the names + dates! 'arHa -- Socialist Alternative <http://www.socialistalternative.org/> Klingon Language Institute <http://www.kli.org/>

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