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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"
by seruq 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

I think DIgh may have been the word I was wanting, but it didn't come up in my search. I've been really slow at learning new words. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 7/17/18, Ed Bailey <bellerophon.modeler(a)gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran" To: "tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org" <tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org> Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2018, 1:25 PM Maybe instead of using {bam}, use the related word {DIgh}, perhaps {DIghpu'wI'} "one who has dealt with (something)." I'd also be inclined to pair {chu'chu'wI'} (one who is clearly/perfectly new) for a newbie with {ta'ta'wI'} (one who has deliberately accomplished) for an old pro, and that covers about the same territory as rookie/veteran. ~mIp'av On Monday, July 16, 2018, Steven Boozer <sboozer(a)uchicago.edu> wrote: > bam face, have the prospect of having to deal with (v) (qepHom 201 > Qob lIb bam SoH chuDlI' je > You and your people are in danger. STID > > I'm not sure I see it. If anything, these sound like something a Beginner's Grammarian would call themselves in jest. > > --Voragh > > -----------------------------------Original Message----------------------------------- > From: seruq > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 8:53 PM > > How about bampu'wI'? > or: > bamta'wI' > bamchu'wI' > or what fine-tuning is appropriate. > > - DloraH > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 7/13/18, Alan Anderson <qunchuy(a)alcaco.net> wrote: > Date: Friday, July 13, 2018, 12:02 AM > > I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). > > I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory? > > -- > ghunchu'wI' > > _______________________________________________ > tlhIngan-Hol mailing list > tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org > http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org > _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"
by seruq 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

How about bampu'wI'? or: bamta'wI' bamchu'wI' or what fine-tuning is appropriate. - DloraH -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 7/13/18, Alan Anderson <qunchuy(a)alcaco.net> wrote: Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran" To: "Klingon language email discussion forum" <tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org> Date: Friday, July 13, 2018, 12:02 AM I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory? -- ghunchu'wI'_______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org -----Inline Attachment Follows-----

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Klingon Word of the Day: lob
by Klingon Word of the Day 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, July 17, 2018 Klingon word: lob Part of speech: verb Definition: obey Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: yu'muD
by Klingon Word of the Day 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, July 16, 2018 Klingon word: yu'muD Part of speech: noun Definition: form (to be filled out) Source: qepHom 2015 p.21 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran"
by seruq 14 Jul '18

14 Jul '18

But... we do have a [SIQwI'] entry in the dictionary already. "celebrant, recipient" -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 7/14/18, Daniel Dadap <daniel(a)dadap.net> wrote: Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran" To: tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org Cc: "seruq" <seruq(a)bellsouth.net> Date: Saturday, July 14, 2018, 7:00 AM I have been enjoying seeing the different options proposed. I like both of these contrasting pairs: chu'wI' / ngo'wI' - newcomer / old-timer (proposed by De'vID)taghwI' / taHwI' - beginner / survivor (proposed by loghaD; seconded by voragh) I like chu'wI'/ngo'wI' for its simplicity and clarity, and its suitability to just about any context; I like taghwI'/taHwI' for the same reasons, and also because it is a minimal pair demonstrating the contrast between gh and H, and really emphasizes proper speech, as voragh mentioned. However, that could also be a source of confusion, e.g. when listening to a poor quality recording. The words are also indistinguishable from each other when whispered. I think if the situation is appropriate, SIQwI' “endurer” might be good. Perhaps it might even be appropriate in a general sense. It can also take aspect suffixes to indicate whether the experience endured is complete (QI' SIQpu'wI' - one who has served in the military and is no longer in active duty; a common use of the word “veteran”) or actively occurring (Quj'a' SIQtaHwI' - one who is experienced in a sport and still participating in it; another common use of “veteran”). In response to this note from Quvar: PS: veteran in the military sense might be {SuvwI' po'} or {SuvwI' qan}. tlhIngan SuvwI'pu' qan tu'lu'be'. On Jul 13, 2018, at 23:36, Jackson Bradley <j.monroe.bradley(a)gmail.com> wrote: chu'Ha'wI'? An un-newcomer? 2018-07-13 21:53 GMT-04:00 seruq <seruq(a)bellsouth.net>: How about bampu'wI'? or: bamta'wI' bamchu'wI' or what fine-tuning is appropriate. - DloraH ------------------------------ -------------- On Fri, 7/13/18, Alan Anderson <qunchuy(a)alcaco.net> wrote: Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran" To: "Klingon language email discussion forum" <tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org> Date: Friday, July 13, 2018, 12:02 AM I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory? -- ghunchu'wI'___________________ ____________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo. cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org -----Inline Attachment Follows----- ______________________________ _________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo. cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol(a)lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org

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Klingon Word of the Day: mu'qaD veS
by Klingon Word of the Day 14 Jul '18

14 Jul '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, July 14, 2018 Klingon word: mu'qaD veS Part of speech: noun Definition: curse warfare Source: PK This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: pabHa'
by Klingon Word of the Day 13 Jul '18

13 Jul '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, July 13, 2018 Klingon word: pabHa' Part of speech: verb Definition: misfollow (rules), follow (rules) wrongly Source: This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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"rookie" vs "veteran"
by Alan Anderson 13 Jul '18

13 Jul '18

I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory? -- ghunchu'wI'

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tera'Daq Sum marS
by De'vID 13 Jul '18

13 Jul '18

'ISjaHwIj vInuDDI', paw' qep'a', yuQ wanI' je 'e' vItlhoj. ngugh tera'Daq Sumqu'choH marS. https://www.space.com/40588-mars-at-opposition.html maS So' je tera' QIb 'ach 'amerIqa' SepjIjQa'vo' leghlaHbe'law' vay'. qep'a'Daq logh yIqIm! -- De'vID

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Klingon Word of the Day: QaH
by Klingon Word of the Day 12 Jul '18

12 Jul '18

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, July 12, 2018 Klingon word: QaH Part of speech: noun Definition: help Source: TKD-A (184 KE, 188 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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