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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog)
by James Landau 04 Dec '21

04 Dec '21

>Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 21:01:53 +0100 >From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin(a)gmail.com> >Cc: "tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org" <tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org> >Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog) >I'm sure both that a {Qa'Hom} is a different species than a {Qa'} and that >the word is indeed {Qa'} + {-Hom}. So I don't think {-Hom} makes the name >of the young of animals. This is a good point! I hadn't even thought of *Qa'* and *Qa'Hom*. The Qa'Hom is more mouse-like, and the Qa' more rat-like, right? (Because rats are bigger than mice.) >Where did you see/hear/read that this was "the >standard way" to do so? It was some post several months ago on this list that mentioned it in passing. Unfortunately, I can no longer find the post. I tried googling *vIghro'Hom" and "DIraqHom" and other similar words, but those searches didn't pull up anything relevant either. >> Then we have KLV Klingon/Standard Vocabulary - KLV >> <https://sites.google.com/a/klingonword.org/klv/klv-klingon-standard-vocabul…>, >> which uses *SarghHom* for "donkey". >> > >I don't think the KLV "translation" project is viewed highly by most >skilled Klingon speakers (to put it politely). Thanks for letting me know! It isn't a Bing-style translation, is it?

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog)
by James Landau 04 Dec '21

04 Dec '21

>From: SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> >To: tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org >Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog) >Message-ID: <f012f32f-951b-ba52-9427-97ad29e953ee(a)trimboli.name> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >> Anyway, I hadn't thought of saying *vighro'ghu*, *ngavyaw'ghu*,>> *qovIjghu*, or *bo'Deghghu* before. I remembered reading that -Hom >> was the standard way to name the young of animals (on this mailing >> list, I believe). -Hom creates some problems, though: if >> *SarghHom* is "foal", then how do you say "pony"? I don't know >> what all of you think, but I think a *SarghHom* would be a pony >> and a *Sarghghu* would be a foal. >> >*Sargh*/sark /(analogous to a horse)/ >/*Sargh mach*/small sark /(in the same way that a pony is a small breed >of horse)/ >/*Sargh ghu*/baby sark /(in the same way that a foal is an immature horse) I like this idea! Or how about calling a pony-analogue a *Sargh nu'* (miniature sark)? By the same token, a minipig could be called a *targh nu'* (which rhymes with *Sargh nu'*).

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Klingon Word of the Day: la'quv
by Klingon Word of the Day 03 Dec '21

03 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, December 03, 2021 Klingon word: la'quv Part of speech: noun Definition: Supreme Commander Source: ADD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog)
by James Landau 03 Dec '21

03 Dec '21

>Anyways, I just decided that until we get a Ca'Non way to express this>(yeah right, as if that's ever gonna happen..) I'll be using {Ha'DIbaH-ghu} >like this: > >{vIghro'-ghu} for "kitten" >{ngavyaw'-ghu} for "puppy" >{bo'Degh-ghu} for whatever the hell you call baby birds in english. Chicks? Anyway, I hadn't thought of saying *vighro'ghu*, *ngavyaw'ghu*, *qovIjghu*, or *bo'Deghghu* before. I remembered reading that -Hom was the standard way to name the young of animals (on this mailing list, I believe). -Hom creates some problems, though: if *SarghHom* is "foal", then how do you say "pony"? I don't know what all of you think, but I think a *SarghHom* would be a pony and a *Sarghghu* would be a foal. Then we have KLV Klingon/Standard Vocabulary - KLV, which uses *SarghHom* for "donkey". Foals, ponies, and donkeys all being SarghHommey? I don't think so! And then we'd have to figure out how to say "donkey foal". I don't know if Kronos has a donkey-analogue that's a different species from a regular Sargh, but it seems there's no really satisfactory way to say "donkey" (without getting cumbersomely long, like "Terran long-ear-having sark"). | | | | | | | | | | | KLV Klingon/Standard Vocabulary - KLV Klingon Language Version of the World English Bible | | | And then, if I said *Sargh way*, I'm sure all of you would know what I meant. Or would *tera' Sargh way* or *'avrI'qa' Sargh way* be better? >I thought of this possibility, and to be honest I can't feel much of a >difference between a "cat baby" and a "baby cat", but perhaps being >influenced from the Ca'Non {DI'raq loD}/{DI'raq be'}, which perhaps have >nothing to do with the matter at hand, I prefer the {vIghro'-ghu} more. Let >alone that the {vIghro'-ghu} is closer to the "baby of the cat" meaning. I agree with your reasoning; if we put -loD and -be' at the end, why shouldn't -ghu go at the end? Would a filly be a Sarghghube' or a Sarghbe'ghu? Or a Sargh be'Hom? Also: I notice you usually use *ngavyaw'* in your translation for dogs. I'd imagine a dog like a poodle or a bichon frisé would be a qovIj. Why? *ngavyaw'* backwards sounds like White Fang, who was a wolf-dog hybrid, so I'd use *ngavyaw* for wolves and coyotes, and also lupine dogs such as Huskies. *qovIj* backwards is *jIvoq* -- I have faith, or I trust. This is the English translation of "Fido". People who speak English as a second language may or not know this, but Fido is used as an archetypal dog's name in English -- much as Fluffy is an archetypal cat's name (just look at the articles on WebMD), or Polly an archetypal parrot's name, or Dobbin was a standard name for horses in the earlier centuries in the English-speaking world. In fact, there was also an Italian dog named Fido who, like Greyfriars Bobby, was known for his extreme faith/loyalty to his master long after the master passed away! So I would call my sister's dog Poppin or my friend La Netta's bichon frisé Tussey a qovIj.

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does the {'e' qa'} express a preference supplemental
by mayqel qunen'oS 03 Dec '21

03 Dec '21

SuStel there's something I'd like to ask you. About a year ago we had discussed about whether the {'e' qa'} expresses a preference, in this thread: http://lists.kli.org/pipermail/tlhingan-hol-kli.org/2018-December/009246.ht… There my initial post was: ***** Initial post starts ***** In english one can say: "I learn klingon rather than vulcan" ; meaning simply "I don't learn vulcan, I learn klingon". On the other hand one can say "I'd rather learn klingon instead of vulcan", expressing a preference: "I prefer to learn klingon instead of vulcan". So, the question is, is the {'e' qa'} just a "neutral" "rather/instead of", or is it (too) the wishful "I'd rather ?" The way I understand it, it seems to be the neutral variant, but I would like to make certain. ***** Initial post ends ***** Then you replied: ***** Reply starts ***** In English the preference is expressed by I'd rather or I'd prefer, not by the instead of or rather than. Klingon 'e' qa' is neutral as to preference. In Klingon these could be expressed thus: tlhIngan Hol vIghoj; vulqangan Hol vIghoj 'e' qa'. I learn Klingon instead of Vulcan. tlhIngan Hol vIghoj 'e' vImaS; vulqangan Hol vIghoj 'e' vImaS 'e' qa'. I prefer to learn Klingon instead of Vulcan. ***** Reply ends ***** So far so good. I understand your reply, and everything is clear. But what I've just wondered is this: Why can't we express the "I prefer to learn Klingon instead of Vulcan" by just placing a {'e' vImaS} after the {'e' qa'}? I mean like this: {tlhIngan Hol vIghoj; vulqangan Hol vIghoj 'e' qa' 'e' vImaS} Granted, stringing together two {'e'}s in a row isn't perhaps the best thing to do, but that aside, doesn't the sentence above mean too "I prefer to learn Klingon instead of Vulcan"? -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Klingon Word of the Day: po'
by Klingon Word of the Day 02 Dec '21

02 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, December 02, 2021 Klingon word: po' Part of speech: verb Definition: be expert, be skilled Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: logh mIn
by Klingon Word of the Day 01 Dec '21

01 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, December 01, 2021 Klingon word: logh mIn Part of speech: noun Definition: wormhole Source: qep'a' 26 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon food vocabulary
by James Landau 01 Dec '21

01 Dec '21

>>From: "Lieven L. Litaer" <levinius(a)gmx.de> >>Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon food vocabulary> >> Now, though, we have a new problem. The header is "Fruit and >> vegetables", but we have some TalkNow words, like cola and pizza, that >> aren't fruit and vegetables. (Also paSta'/pasta in the final section of >> "Terran fruit and vegetables".) I really don't know what to do with >> these words. I'll have to think about it awhile. > >Change it as you think it makes sense. I think it's more useful to sort >them by topic than by source. I finally thought of a satisfactory solution. I've placed *qo'qo* and *tanje'rIn* into the borrowed fruits and vegetable list, and put foods like rice and soda into the list at the end. I agree with you that it isn't particularly useful to just lump all the TalkNow foods together. This did mean, however, that I had to note the exceptions (coconut, tangerine) to the rule that Terran foods always add a word like *naH*.

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naDev tlhIngan Hol neH vIlo'.
by Will Martin 30 Nov '21

30 Nov '21

naDev DIvI’ Hol vIlo’DI’ jInuQ ‘e’ vISovmoHlu’ta’. nuQbe’law’ latlhpu’. qar’a' qechvam? ram vuDwIj ‘ej jISaHbe’. potlhlaw’ latlh vuD ‘ej SaHlaw’. qeSDaj vIlaj. vaj tlhIngan Hol vIlo’nIS pagh jItamnISchu’. qay’be’. naDev ghaytan tlhoy DIvI’ Hol lo’lu’. qaStaHvIS DISmey law’ Holvam wIHaD ‘ej wInuD ‘ej wIwaH. qatlh? chaq wIlo’choH net pIH? DaH wIlo’be’chugh, ghorgh wIlo’choH? ‘ach tlhIngan Hol vIlo'taHvIS qech vIqelbogh vIwuqnIS ‘ej Qatlh Qu’vam. qechmey law’ vIghaj, ‘ach roD jIjatlhDI’ ‘IjwI’ vIqel. ‘IjwI’vaD Daj’a’ qech? naDev roD Daj tlhIngan Hol neH. ‘ach HolQeD’e’ puS tlhIngan Hol mu’mey. vaj Hol rIchlu’meH roD DIvI’ Hol lo’lu’. vaj naDev, roD DIvI’ Hol lo’lu’. maSovchuq’a’? maja'chuqchugh ‘ej tlhIngan Hol wIlo’ ‘ach tlhIngan Hol wIrIchbe’, nuq wIjatlh? juppu’wI’ tlhIH’a’? tuparHa’’a’? tuSaH’a’? SaparHa’’a’? SaSaH’a’? QIntetlhvamDaq qabDu’ DIHutlh. QInmey tlhuDlu’. DoS Hutlh. QInvam laD ‘Iv? yajlaHbe’ ‘op. SaHbe’ ‘op. ghaytan ‘opvaD nuQ. Huj Humanpu’. vaj QInvam vIqonpu’mo’, jIHujba’. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)

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Klingon Word of the Day: tlhorghHa'
by Klingon Word of the Day 30 Nov '21

30 Nov '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, November 30, 2021 Klingon word: tlhorghHa' Part of speech: verb Definition: be bland (referring to food) Source: KGT This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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