December 2021 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon Word of the Day: may'ron raS
by Klingon Word of the Day 09 Dec '21

09 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, December 09, 2021 Klingon word: may'ron raS Part of speech: noun Definition: piano Source: qepHom 2020 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: pIra'Ha
by Klingon Word of the Day 08 Dec '21

08 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, December 08, 2021 Klingon word: pIra'Ha Part of speech: noun Definition: Prague Source: qep'a' 26 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: porgh
by Klingon Word of the Day 07 Dec '21

07 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, December 07, 2021 Klingon word: porgh Part of speech: noun Definition: body Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Dan
by Klingon Word of the Day 06 Dec '21

06 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, December 06, 2021 Klingon word: Dan Part of speech: verb Definition: occupy (military term) Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: teblaw'
by Klingon Word of the Day 06 Dec '21

06 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, December 04, 2021 Klingon word: teblaw' Part of speech: noun Definition: jurisdiction Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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don't talk to me like this you..
by mayqel qunen'oS 06 Dec '21

06 Dec '21

e I must have seen hundreds of cat memes, but I've never seen one describing more accurately the way cats see humans, than the following one. There's a sentence saying "when you scold your cat for breaking something". Below there's a picture of an angry woman (representing the cat). And below the picture there's the words said by the cat to the human: "Don't talk to me like this you f*** can opener!". hahaha t vatlh law' vIghro' memes vIleghbejpu', 'a vIghro'mey Delchu'bogh meme'e' memevam qar law' Hoch qar puS. qarchu' memevam, Humanpu' bopbogh vIghro'mey vuD chIwchu'mo'. wa'DIch wa' mutlhegh tu'lu': < vay' ghorpu'mo' vIghro'lIj, vIghro'lIj DaqunchoHpu'DI'.. > bIngDaq be' QeH mIllogh tu'lu' (vIghro' 'oSba' be'vam). 'ej mIlloghvam bIngDaq qonlu'pu' (HumanvaD mu'mey jatlhbogh vIghro' bIH): < jIHvaD mu'vam tIjatlhQo', Soj ngaSwI' poSmoHwI' jay'! > hahaha -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog)
by James Landau 06 Dec '21

06 Dec '21

>From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin(a)gmail.com> >To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol(a)kli.org> >Cc: "tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org" <tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org> >Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog) >> It isn't a Bing-style translation, is it? > > >It's a word-for-word substitution using a word list without regard for >meaning or grammar. (The project itself uses the word "relexification" to >describe this process.) > >For example, in the link you posted, it listed {'elta'} as the substitution >for "entered". (Why {-ta'} and not {-pu'}? Some verbs had substitutions >with {-pu'} and others had {-ta'}, for reasons never explained.) The KLV >would use {'elta'} for entering a house, synagogue, or ship, which is okay, >but also for "ye are entered into their labours" and things like that. So the man who spearheads the KLV knows it's not even correct Klingon grammar? Then why bother if it's going to be word salad? What a waste of time. Having a conlang that is a "relex" or "cipher" is considered something to avoid in the conlanging community. Someone by the name of Marduk came to the CBB (a conlanging forum) earlier this year and spent a day sharing his sixteen languages, all of which had over 56,000 words of lexicon, with us. You could type English text in and it would output the translation in any of the sixteen conlangs you wished, and even print it in one of his constructed scripts. Well, it turned out that Marduk had designed the phonology and the con-scripts for his languages, but all of his lexica were computer-generated English ciphers, mapping up one-on-one with an English word-form regardless of meaning or part of speech, and the words were in the exact same order as their English equivalents! Sort of takes the fun out of making a conlang. >It's debatable which is worse between this and Bing. I'd say this is worse than Bing, since at least Bing was fed Klingon morphological and syntactic rules (from what I understand). >p.s. Does the word "donkey" even appear in the KJV? I think not. I think in >the English of King James' time, the word for what we now call a "donkey" >was "ass", and that's the word actually used in the KJV. So the KLV isn't >even a word-for-word substitution, it's a bowdlerised word-for-word >substitution (presumably to avoid the association of "ass" with {Sa'Hut}). >(Merriam-Webster and Wikipedia both say that the earliest attestation of >"donkey" to refer to the animal is ca. 1785, so 174 years after the 1611 >publication of the KJV.) I was wondering about this too. I remember when my father went to someone's bar mitzvah and came back with some Judaica that had the Ten Commandments printed in Hebrew and translated into Biblical English. The Hebrews were told not to covet their neighbor's wife, nor their neighbor's ass nor ox nor maidservant nor manservant nor anything else that was their neighbor's. I was about 9 or 10 at the same, and laughed because "ass", which meant *Sa'Hut* as well as donkey, was in the Bible, even though I knew what they meant. I've seen Biblical quotes with "ass" in them many times since then, and remember reading about the word "donkey" being coined as a substitute for "ass" around the same time people turned "cock" into "rooster" and "apricock" into "apricot". So I was wondering what version of the Bible was being used, if it has "donkey".

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Klingon Word of the Day: chunDab
by Klingon Word of the Day 05 Dec '21

05 Dec '21

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, December 05, 2021 Klingon word: chunDab Part of speech: noun Definition: meteor Source: TKD (83 KE, 142 EK) This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog)
by James Landau 04 Dec '21

04 Dec '21

>Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 21:01:53 +0100 >From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin(a)gmail.com> >Cc: "tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org" <tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org> >Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog) >I'm sure both that a {Qa'Hom} is a different species than a {Qa'} and that >the word is indeed {Qa'} + {-Hom}. So I don't think {-Hom} makes the name >of the young of animals. This is a good point! I hadn't even thought of *Qa'* and *Qa'Hom*. The Qa'Hom is more mouse-like, and the Qa' more rat-like, right? (Because rats are bigger than mice.) >Where did you see/hear/read that this was "the >standard way" to do so? It was some post several months ago on this list that mentioned it in passing. Unfortunately, I can no longer find the post. I tried googling *vIghro'Hom" and "DIraqHom" and other similar words, but those searches didn't pull up anything relevant either. >> Then we have KLV Klingon/Standard Vocabulary - KLV >> <https://sites.google.com/a/klingonword.org/klv/klv-klingon-standard-vocabul…>, >> which uses *SarghHom* for "donkey". >> > >I don't think the KLV "translation" project is viewed highly by most >skilled Klingon speakers (to put it politely). Thanks for letting me know! It isn't a Bing-style translation, is it?

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog)
by James Landau 03 Dec '21

03 Dec '21

>From: SuStel <sustel(a)trimboli.name> >To: tlhingan-hol(a)lists.kli.org >Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] expressing baby animals (and words for dog) >Message-ID: <f012f32f-951b-ba52-9427-97ad29e953ee(a)trimboli.name> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" >> Anyway, I hadn't thought of saying *vighro'ghu*, *ngavyaw'ghu*,>> *qovIjghu*, or *bo'Deghghu* before. I remembered reading that -Hom >> was the standard way to name the young of animals (on this mailing >> list, I believe). -Hom creates some problems, though: if >> *SarghHom* is "foal", then how do you say "pony"? I don't know >> what all of you think, but I think a *SarghHom* would be a pony >> and a *Sarghghu* would be a foal. >> >*Sargh*/sark /(analogous to a horse)/ >/*Sargh mach*/small sark /(in the same way that a pony is a small breed >of horse)/ >/*Sargh ghu*/baby sark /(in the same way that a foal is an immature horse) I like this idea! Or how about calling a pony-analogue a *Sargh nu'* (miniature sark)? By the same token, a minipig could be called a *targh nu'* (which rhymes with *Sargh nu'*).

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